Pet Shop Problems
How much do you know about that cute puppy you just bought at the pet store? Do you know where they were born? What the conditions were? How soon they were taken away from their mother? How they got to the pet store?
As an officer at the Connecticut Department of Animal control told us in our latest Team 8 investigation, if people bring home dogs from pet stores that get sick and require expensive veterinary care they should take into consideration what kind of stress the animal has been through before they got to your home.
The good news is Connecticut actually has a pet shop lemon law. The bad news is if you have a sick pet from a pet shore chances are the law doesn’t work for you.
The law allows customers to return their pets for 15-days after purchase for a full refund. But really, how many people would take Scruffy or Fluffy away from their kids no matter how sick the animal is and return it to the pet store.
Our Team 8 investigation introduces us to several families experiencing heart-breaking stories and shows why the state law designed to protect consumers doesn’t.
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Ed, I am so sorry that you are having trouble with you pet. I hope that he will be over his problems and can go on living a happy, healthy and long life with you.
I work with the public and I had mentioned to a customer just tonite, that I was looking to get anouther dog, and, she mentioned to me If you do anything DON'T go to Fin & Feather in Groton,, she bought a dog there and the dog was very sick and she paid alot of money for him.. I thought you should know about this pet store as well.. Please, don't use my name on the news, because, I do work in two public places and dont want to be a target in anyway.. But, I believe if you can to put an article in the local papers and you will most likely get that person to respond,, she was very upset. I didnt think to get her name, and didnt know about this ,, til I came home and saw your report on the channel 8 news at 11pm... thank you, and keep the good work up for animals.
Tammey
First off, the pet store lemon law in Connecticut is as short as it is because it only covers illnesses that came directly from the store (they would only show up within the first two weeks after leaving the store). All stores are supposed to check dogs for any visible problems and treat them and disclose all this information to the purchaser. Any normal puppy has indeed been through so much stress that it will most likely develop at the very least a cold due to the fact that increased stress decreases the strength of their immune system. If these colds or kennel cough go untreated by the owners (which will be covered by store warranties) it will not develop into pneumonia. Also, almost any puppy will have a parasite upon a stool examination.
Second, many Connecticut pet stores do not have a warranty that covers congenital defects (birth defects) because they do not need to. In all honesty this should be the responsibility of the breeder, not the store, or the broker.
Which brings me to my next point, not all puppies in pet stores come from "puppy mills." There is a broker which will only take one to two puppies of a breed from any breeder per 10 months,t hereby the breeder is not making a significant enough profit to be temped to "over-breed." There are breeders that sell puppies to brokers who are certified by the USDA and subject to surprise inspections by Animal Control to keep their liscenes. Also, a broker may be an extra step in a puppy's trip to a loving home, but at the broker is where the puppy undergoes its most thorough vet examinations, receieves its microchip (where applicable), and also receive any needed medical treatment such as hernia repairs from birth complications.
I, for one, am upset that the media lumps all stores together without getting all the facts and doing research about ALL the pet stores around. I know there are bad ones but I also know there are good ones. Some may say that all pet stores contribute to pet over-population, but the breeders are not going to stop breeding and the pet parents are not going to stop buying.
I am also upset that the media even gives certain people the time of day because they are just looking for money. For one, if you love your pet "like one of your children" you would find a way to pay for the surgery. And another, if an animal seems like it is in pain why wouldn't you get it treatment immediately? I know I love my dogs like my sons and I would do anything I had to to help them.
But that's just the opinion of someone who has lived and breathed the life of both a pet store that sells dogs and one that doesn't for the past three years.
Thank you.
I won't even go into a pet store. All my animals were given to me by friends, or adopted from a shelter, all but 2 lived to be 17 years old, the other 2 lived to 13 and 15 years of age.
My opinion is that these places should be shut down, as most are putting people through financial, and emotional problems.
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ed, I really feel for you, and truly hope your dog makes out well. God bless you for doing as much as you have already to give your dog a good home, and lots of love.
I hope Mr. Cohen keeps us updated on Gizmo!
with the pet stores that have warranties, pet parents will incur the costs initially and can then be reimbursed by the company. also, some stores offer a warranty that exceeds the lemon law. maybe the law is a little lax, but then again, so was the way conveiniently kept a certain name out of the broadcast.
and i meant to say money isnt all there is
I am retired and on a fixed income, and I know darn well there is no way in the heavens I could shell out any 7,000 for a pet, or most anything else. I believe these folks probably bought the dog with whatever money they had, expecting NO additional problems, yet got stuck with a very sick dog.
Yes, I am sure there are a few pet stores that are reliable, but I have heard many horror stories, and am glad I acquired my animals the way I did. Even when one of my dogs had a litter of Collie pups, I gave them away, but only to people I knew would take great care of them.
Let's all hope that Gizmo gets the care he needs, and the couple are able to raise a healthy dog.
Regardless whether dogs come from pet stores, puppy mills, or a "accidental at home births" this has to do with the responsibility of the new owner. Let's say it was not a dog but a baby. Just because you take great care of yourself for 9 months and you have a child does not mean there won't be birth defects or other such problems. Now if there are such problems you would get them fixed no matter what, because that is your child. That is what a puppy is, a child; the possibilities and responsibilities are the same. There is always a chance something can go wrong, no matter what happened before the puppy, or child, came into your life. Therefore I do not care about pet stores, I have seen bad stories but I have also seen great stories. I have also seen devoted parents who love their new puppy "like their children" who would do anything to handle problems because that's what parents do.
In regards to this situation I do feel badly for the puppy because of the pain it is in but that has nothing to do with the pet store in question. If it was not possible for the new owners to see the problem in the store how is the pet store supposed to see the problem.
So all in all the problem does not lie within the pet store it lies within the responsibility of the owners. If the vet you are seeing now will not let you pay off the surgery in installments then you can find a different vet who will allow it. Obviously you will have to pay the money back, I don't think anybody is saying you won't have to. But it's kind of like financial aid for college, you will have to pay it back later but it helps you reach your goals at the present time. Your goal at the present time is making sure that your puppy gets better and can lead a healthy life so do some research and find a vet that will care about the pain the puppy is in.
obtain their puppies and kittens from local
breeders, if they sell the animals at all.
I have bought two dogs from pet shops, and
was not really surprised that neither of the breeders responded to my letters. One dog was sick with hookworm, coccidosis, and
kennel cough. As long as uneducated buyers purchase pets from store owners caring more about the almighty dollar, animals will suffer
owners who care more about the almighty
I always tell someone that if they must get a puppy to please go directly to a breeder and make sure they interview them and get references.
With in the influx of puppies coming from not only the pet stores but coming up from other states via rescues the backlash to the shelter will be intense.
I took her right to my vet and she was treated. We were lucky...she only had kennel cough and because I persisted to get her out it didn't progress to something worse, but she was a sick pup. I posted negative reviews of the pet store and my experience and received a call from the owner who was very intimdating, demanding that I rescind my reviews. He also told me I was banned from coming into his store, which he rescinded later in the conversation . This all happened last June and I still have not gone back in there and won't. He wouldn't pay for the medication I had to puppy on and I had to press to get my papers for the pup. I did report him and the vet to the dept of licensing and the fda. . The kicker here- is that I have 2 other (older dogs) bought in the older store years ago. They are all from the same breeder and have been in good health,except I just learned this year (after getting the puppy)that my 6 year old has a heart murmur-somethign that perhaps came through her breeding. She's ok now and I will treat her as needed, but it really makes me wonder what's instore for my cute little puppy now. I've decided to train her to give something back. She's in training to become a therapy dog to visit patients in the hospitals with the ultimate goal of becoming an alzhiemers therapy dog.
We aren't going to realistically stop people from buying that cute little puppy and that's what ehe is banking on. You aren't going to be able to edcuate everyone about where the dogs are coming from e either. We need to lobby to pass some kind of legistation stoping pet stores in CT from improting any live dogs and cats. Simply pass legislation that makes it illegal for these stores to sell the Dogs and Cats...if that happened all around the country, that would dry up the puppy mills!
You can't make generalizations. Smart people fall for the emotions of the cute puppy. It doesn't make them selfish either. That's what the store owners bank on. Recently I have to say things have gotten out of hand with the "designer" mixed breed dogs that people are paying out lots of $$ for. I simply don't understand that at all.
as to the question at hand, a good law would read, the owner keeps the pet, and the store pays all the medical bills related to the defect...just watch how quick pet stores stop buying from 'puppy mills' and buy from reputable middlemen
one other thing about her, she just loves tomato sause, must of lived in an Italian house...
And as for the Veterinary side of it, I have worked as a Veterinary Technician for over 15 years and have worked at an emergency hospital for over 5 years. I see these puppies every day coming from pet stores with severe illnesses and congenital defects. Congenital defects cannot be avoided. People should do their research on specific breeds before purchasing a puppy. As for the "designer puppies", they are mutts, you can save a healthy dog from the shelter, instead of spending thousands of dollars. Again, pets are a luxury, not a necessity. Everybody should know about health insurance for pets and Care Credit for emergencies. It is a financial sacrifice to own a pet, and not something that should be taken lightly.
the dog as perfectly healthy, developed a cardiac condition, and died in it's handlers arms with in a couple of hours...
we miss him at work, i only saw him "work" once, what a team member to have on our side when walking the "toughest beat in Connecticut"
3 weeks ago from All Pets Club in Branford CT. On vet exam on the next day, a fecal sample was taken, & kennel cough was diagnosed. The next day, Giardia was found in pup's stool. This is not to hard to treat, so we took home meds and began pill regime.. That afternoon, puppy bagan couging more loose sounding cough, so brought him to vet again. He was diagnosed with beginning onset pneumonia. We were told this could take a puppy down very quickly, & that a car ride from Trumbull to Branford would be too stressful for his body. We had him hooked up to IV's and after a hospital stay of 5 days, I'm happy to report that the pneumonia is gone. We are still treating the bacterial Giardia in his stools. Otherwise, he is a healhy and sweet puppy.
The store owner finally returned my phone calls after a week and a half (he was on vacation) & his employees could make no decisions as to helping us financially. Long story short- when he called, the man sounded honest and sincere and promised to "reimburse in full" for the vet bill.
One and a half weeks later- no reimbursement, no more contact.= He also claimed his pups came from breeder who sold only to his 2 stores- maybe to here in CT, but we looked her up, found her cited for dirty conditions, and came to find out she breeds all kinds of dogs, not just cocker spaniels.
Unfortunately, by buying our dogs from these places, we support these puppy mills. We have rationalized that we saved a sweet puppy's life, for alot of money- but- there are so many venues to rescue dogs from. The only way to stop this puppy abuse is not to give these pet shops any business, and to report them to the State Dept of Agricultureal Inspection division. Unfortunately, they are inundated with these complaints; I wonder how much they can do, if anything.
However, with so many cats and dogs in shelters, I have a hard time with people buying dogs/cats
from a pet store. Shelters take excellent care
of the animals there and for a small amount of
money, you can get a terrific pet. I urge
people to try the shelters first.
Like I said, I have taken full responsibility for my pet's medical bills but I would not have purchased a puppy from this store if I had known the truth about where it came from.
If anyone would like to find a history of the animal you purchased at a pet shop, please go to petshoppuppies.org. They offer free reports on any puppy purchased.
as puppies from private owners who advertised
them in the local paper. My pair of Dobermans
were bought in the 70's and lived to ages
12 & 13. My first Jack Russell was purchased
in CT during the 80's and is still kicking
at age 16. My 2nd Jack was bought 3yrs. ago
in R.I. He visits nursing homes & competes
in agility. My 3rd Jack was purchased in
Florida ,sight unseen,with help from my
brother. She's in agility classes.
All 3 Jacks are healthy happy dogs. Why? Because I
made sure the original owners had the pups
checked & vaccinated by a certified vet before purchase. I also questioned the owners, checked
the pups parents and living conditions.
I will never buy from a pet store. I've heard
too many horror stories and know people who
got scammed by them. No dog is worth $500 or
more. Prices are rediculous. If your going
to spend that amount of $$, then buy from a
reputable/registered private breeder. AKC
will be happy to direct you to them.
As for Gizmo & Ed's pup, my heart goes out
to them. I pray GOD gives you a miracle.
Naturally we paid for any vet bills etc. etc., but never had any out of the ordinary problems, and almost all my animals lived to 17. The cat I have now was dumped on my vets doorstep after hurricane Bob, and that is what they named him. LOL
When I was going away for the weekend, I took my dog to the vet for the usual shots and a weekend stayover. When I saw the cat in the cage, I asked how much it would cost, and they said.NOTHING, just a good home. Naturally I had the vet give it shots and a bath, and told him I would pick both the dog and cat up on monday when I returned. So far, Mr. Hurricane is still going strong at 17.
A friend of mine bought a minature poodle, and it seems every time she turns around, she is at the vets office for one thing or another, and yes, she has spent a small fortune on her dog.
I realize pets are a luxury, but you still shouldn't have to go half into debt to raise one. I still say these people on the news got a raw deal, and I hope poor Gizmo gets the help he needs. Who wants to see any animal in pain 24/7? Trust me, if I could shell out the 7 grand for it, I would.
Happy TGIF folks, I'm done venting. ;-)
store, ALL PETS CLUB shown on channel 8 last
night. I use come in so much that I got to
know some of the employees well. I no longer
go to to this store for the following reasons.
Over a year ago, APC did a raffel for their
"non-profit org" that the APC owner started called "P.A.R.T"
,"Protecting Animals Rights Togther" which I
was told by their employees trying to get me
to buy a ticket that the org is for people
who need help in situations like Gizmo's and
to help their owners thay can't afford to pay for their
vet bills. After donating for a raffel ticket,I
I tried to look up on this org and found that
it did not exist! Where did all of this money
go? THE APC van the store drives even has a
logo for part and says "we are a proud
sponser of PART". After discovering this, I
saw this was another money hungry pet store
and choose to never got there again.
For another reason, the store thought it would
be a great idea to have a 2 toed sloth as a
pet mascot. After a few months the sloth
magically disapeared. When I asked an old
Lady I knew in the Small animal and Bird
department where their mascot had gone, she
was upset and told me" the owner told me
to say we sent it back to the breeder but
to be unest, he died!
For a pet sore that cames they care or are
"turning the key to a new generation of pet
care" obvisouly doesn't. Why couldn't this
store send it to their vet? Or why couldn't
their non profit org help Gizmo?
I can't wait to see the pet store owener try
to talk their way out tonight on 8.
I hope that thi store looses business and
that if channel 8 is so bothered over this, they
should set an example and not allow APC to be
a sponser and advertise on their channel. By
keeping their sponsership they telling us that
this is a reptuible place.
please respond to this, because this business practice should be monitored more closely. I spent $1,200.00 for this puppy and so far have incurred almost $250 in vet bills in less than two weeks and the puppy has to be monitored almost 24/7 cuz we want him to get well and we do not want to catch this illness. thanks for your time. Cindy
Forcing animals to reproduce like widgets in a factory is a deplorable act and should be illegal. It makes me nauseous to hear about people selling little lives like they are just factories used to produce revenue.
Why don't more people rescue abandoned animals instead of encouraging pet overpopulation and in essence animal abuse? This cycle also promotes inappropriate pet owners who don’t have to go through an application process to see if they are even capable of providing good care. Too many people buy and discard animals like toys their children have grown tired of.
Where are the animal right advocates to rein in this issue? I think its wonderful that you are reporting on such a HUGE but little discussed topic. Please, please continue this kind of work.
left out of the story. Again you disappoint.
If a customer brings back a "defective" pet to the pet store what will the store do? Obviously weigh the costs of bringing a pet back to health or euthanizing the animal.
Now I must say, I wasn't a cat lover at this point in time. But seeing her in the condition she was in struck a nerve and got me concerned for her health and safety. I never thought of bringing a cat into the household at that time. I just wanted her to be strong enough to defend herself and healthy so I started leaving food for her.
When I first saw here she was mangy and skinny and skidish. So I started leaving a bowl of food for her by the back door. Weeks later she was more plump, had more energy and a nice clean and thick coat. After about 1 year of this routine she eventually she warmed up to me and the family and became less fearful.
That was three years ago. Miss Piggs a petite and pretty Maine Coon Cat is now part of our household and family.
I can't describe the joy I get when I see her each day.
Club in Branford on 8/22/07. The very next
he was checked by a vet and i was told "you
were sold a very sick puppy". He was taken
to the hospital by the third day on death's
door. Afer thousands of dollars in vet bills
he is doing fine. That is a lot to spend on
a dog that cost $1,100.00! I was treated
disrespectfully by the puppy manager regarding
my complaints. I wrote to Attorney Blumenthal
and he sent out Animal control to inspect.
They closed a bin and removed a few puppies.
The warranty was revised slightly, but if we
do not try to change this lemon law we are
basically as consumers doomed. A store credit
is simply not enough for the emotional and
financial burden we suffered. I am willing
to go try to change this law, but need support.
I am so glad this is coming to the for front.
Pet stores should sell pet supplies and small
pets, but not puppies! comparing this animal
to a computer that needs repairs is disgusting.
and that is just the mentality of the people
working at this store. I have come across
many people in the same situation that shopped
at this chain. The owner is delusional in his
thinking and is making tons of money at the
expense of these poor sick pups. I am really
interested in what this store owner has to say
when they are interviewed. Let's change this
puppy lemon law to support the consumer and
the puppy not the seller!!!!!!!!!!!
Amanda...How did you/do you like your job at All Pets' club? I do have a theory about this guy. I think he started out many years ago and it really wasnt all that bad-at least he tried. But greed got the better of him and those $$ signs just stared looking mighty pretty to him.
My prediction for tonight...He'll insist that he only buys from reputable breeders. He'll be "hurt" that this is happening to him because in his mind he's only doing what's best for the puppies. I don't think the guy knows the difference between fiction and reality. If the reporter persists you might see him turn and start to become defensive and maybe even intimidating ending with him covering the camera with his hand and telling them to get out.
I have been waiting for this day to come since early June 2007 and I am loving every minute of this!
Breeders and puppy mills are the source of the overpopulation existing in our country today as well as irresponsible pet owners who do not spay or neuter their pets. Amanda, people need to be educated that stores that sell animals for profit are the worst contributors to the real problem - they take advantage of an unsuspecting public who need to know the staggering statistics of animals who die every year in our shelters because there are no homes for them - and yet the breeders keep breeding - the puppy mills keep producing - and pet stores keep selling. Any store that has an animal that goes out and falls sick beyond the 15 day return, then that store should be responsible for the care. If they are selling an animal that is supposedly free of problems, then in 15 days, it may not necessarily show. Fifteen days is not enough coverage.
Hopefully after this, more people will be aware of the horrors of the 'cute' puppies in the pet store and prefer to adopt from the local shelters instead. Hopefully the State of CT will create stronger laws with longer periods of time for these owners and the East Coast will put that moratorium on ALL breeders to give shelters a chance to find homes.
Amanda, get with program.
John, your comment on the holier than tho rescues is shameful. Do you have any idea of the time, effort, and money that goes into caring and in many cases socializing pets for adotption? If a pet rescue needs 16 references and a blood sample, good for them for wanting to check you out. At least they care enough about the animals they originally housed to want to be sure that the animal is happy and healthy - unlike a pet store that just hands you a bill of sale.
Mr. Cohn, we thank you for your news cast and hope you will continue to follow up on this story and continue to shed light on the horrors of these animals coming from breeders and puppy mills that are being sold in pet stores and contributing to the overpopulation and martyring of animals in our shelters who are unable to find homes.
Mr. Cohn, why was the "Pet of the Week" not shown today? Did it have anything to do with the story about the pet store as it is known they sponsor the spot. Yet, the animal shelter shouldn't be penalized for that - have WTNH continue running those even if they have to donate the time and money as a community service. These animals that are in the shelters need every opportunity to find a home and "Pet of the Week" has given many that chance. Please don't stop running that very important advertising for shelter animals.
And we haven't even touched base on the dogs taht are brought into this store to visit/shop. They are being exposed to parasites themselves. Humans can even get giardia. The handed me the puppy with poop all over it and never offered me papertowel or anything to clean it up. There is no quaranteen for the sick pups - they all infect each other.
It's just nuts! He needs to be shut down!
yourself from the pack 8. Do something we really
car about!!!!!!! Not the same old boring stories!
Go to this link - would you call these "top knotch?"
http://www.petshoppuppies.com/report.asp?ID=48A1755
A year later, I was looking on Petfinder.com, a website listing all dogs across the country available for adoption. Lo and behold, there was a nearly identical female whippet in the pound nearby! I went to meet her and it was love at first sight!! I discovered that like me, her owners had paid a small fortune for her then found out she was a bit of a maniac (actually, more than a bit) when left alone for any time at all. Always one to appreciate a bargain, I promptly paid the $5 fee to adopt her. That night, she promptly climbed under the covers next to her new brother and we have lived happily ever after.
The moral of the story is that any dog you can buy for about $1,000 in a pet store can likely be found in a shelter or pound for about $5. AND you'll be saving a life.
changed their name to ALL PETS CLUB so that
they can start a Chain of stores.
The Brandford store is the second they opened.
put in quarentine several months back due to
the parrots having Psittacosis which is transmitted
from birds to human.
If you read up on Psittacosis, birds gets due to dirty conditions and "coming in contact" with wild caught birds".
Eveything I go in there, the changes are stuffed with more birds in the change then there should be.
ALL PETS CLUB in wallingford had their parrots
put in quarentine several months back due to
the parrots having Psittacosis which is transmitted
from birds to human.
If you read up on Psittacosis, birds gets this
due to dirty conditions and "coming in contact with wild caught birds".
Eveytime I go in there, the cages are
stuffed with more birds in the cages then there should be.
I'm not familiar with that place, but I know for sure, if I am in that area to visit relatives, I won't stop there even for any pet supplies.
Dying to see the 6 P.M. report from Alan!!!
Look online, we did, drove to Elizabethtown , PA and got the greatest dogs anyone could ask for. Bottom line, be careful,again research and ask questions. We talked with the breeder on the phone for an hour before we got first pup.
Second: If any of you buyers from APC have any papers that say "Lambrier" or "Hunte" on them, yes, they came from puppy mills. Those are the 2 biggest brokers in this counrty. They send out the "buyers" to the "breeders" (and I use that term loosly, be cause to me they are lower then dirt)to go and buy whole litters, not just one or two pups, then they bring the pups back to their facilities, clean him/her up, give them shots if needed, and ship them out! They drive for days in the back of these trucks, until they reach the pet store that has ordered them. And if they are lucky the pet store wont refuse them, because if the store does refuse them, they will travel onto the next pet store at a discounted price. Now, if no one buy this poor little living, feeling, loving animal, it will travel for days back to the facility and be....well you can fill in the rest.
Thrid: Not a puppy mills are in the mid-west...PA, is also full of mills!! DO NOT BUY FROM THE AMISH!!!!!!!! They are as bad, if not worse then the mid-west millers. Amish people think that animals are just commodities. They have no ethics in breeding. They sell whole litters at 6 weeks old for $1000 to people who in turn bring them back into this state and sell them as their own. You have no knowledge of this when you buy that cute face, but when things start showing up, you wonder why.. Well now you know!
Im not trying to sell you my puppies, or say Im better then the rest...Im just trying to warn the general public. You have got to be so careful.
ED, IF YOU NEED MONEY FOR GIZMO LET ME KNOW, I WILL DO WHAT I CAN TO HELP THAT LITTLE GUY WHO DIDNT DESERVE THIS.
THAT IS JUST ONE MORE EXAMPLE OF POOR BREEDING AND JUST PLAIN NOT CARING!!! NOW THIS POOR DOG IS THE ONE PAYING THE PRICE!
AMANDA...YOU SHOULD SEEK HELP!!!
Nice guy...YEAH, RIGHT! Wish there was a fund raiser or something where folks who wish to could donate. Even on a fixed income, I would contribute something.
thanks for the professional information...
I know he, or any pet shop can't fix all problems people encounter, but geez, with this all over the news, you would think he would try something just to at least make himself look good.
Oh well, time to change my "bracelet", I'm complaining again. ;-)
I was amazed to learn about the Amish!! I believe our pup was bred there and brokered to our local pet store who I always thought was reputable... I know when the time comes I will adopt from a shelter and never do the pet store thing again...I went ahead and looked at some things about puppy mills and I'm so upset to think I patronized something like this...are there puppy mills in CT? I was just wondering.
if you purchase a puppy from us you can have any information you want. the breeders telephone number or any contact information we want you guys to able to talk to the breeders they love hearing from the customers. jerry is a nice person and our warranty does not only go 15 days. if there is a congenital defect in your puppy from 6 months to a year you receive and 80% refund and you get to keep the dog. you get your money back and get to keep the dog. congenital defects are something we can not control. our breeders do not inbreed and in fact registration papers and pedigrees are provided upon purchase even sometimes pictures of parents. i know jerry very well and ya know what he does care because he has 5 dogs himself wich came from our breeders and ya know what its not all about the money. its about making the customers happy with there new companion I CARE ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PUPPY the same way and treat them all the same with love and attention. yes do sometimes we run into a problem when a dog is sick yes.. do sometimes you run into giardia yes because they are running around and playing together. would you rather see them in small crates and seperated with no toys and nothing to do? i dont think so and thats why where different. it is sad what has happened has happen to gizmo and i feel bad for him. a number of my co workers have bought dogs from us as well as customers that come back for there 3rd and sometimes 4th dog. what bothered me most is the pictures they showed of the "puppy mills" on the tv there is no way in hell we would ever buy from a place that looks like that ever. that is not any of the kennels we acquire our puppies from. i am not going to sit here and make you believe something your not going to but when people start saying we dont care thats when i have a problem cause i care and i care an unbeliveable amount. if anyone has any questions we are here to answer them. i love working at this pet store and i have sold my close friends and family puppies through here and i would never want to work at any other pet store.
Jeff...was that sarcasim?? Not really to sure, and you didnt give me any "Material" to work with. I know much more then you think!
GIZMO'S OWNER...IF YOU SOME MONEY TO HELP HIM, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
im sick of arguing with you people. im not saying pet stores are good or bad. im just saying there is an in between you people are missing. you do raise good points. and so do i. this country is so driven for people to side with one extreme or another its ludicris. there will always be problems with animals. putting an end to puppy mills and pet stores is not going to change that. thats like saying stop procreating so that we wont have any more birth defects. millions of dogs are sold at both breeders and pet stores annually. of those millions there are bound to be issues. yes, pets are overpopulated and maybe breeding them makes that even worse. but breeding them properly helps alleviate these problems.
lets put it this way, the media thrives on controversial topics and everything that is bad about them. are we ever going to hear about the good the military is doing outside this country? no... just like youre never going to see a proud pet parent tell the news about their wonderful experience with a pet store.
yes, puppymills are bad.
please, have your pet spayed or neutered.
if your family makes the decision to get a pet, go to a shelter first.
but if you buy from a pet store, do your research.
its that simple.
Also, for those of who you think i might be some sort of owner or employee of APC, I am not. My family bought a dog, a little yorky, from One Stop Pet Shop over 11 years ago and he has never had a problem, at least not one that had anything to do with where he came from or how he was treated before we got him. He is a very happy dog with a great disposition and we couldnt have asked for a perfect addition from our family. We have since shopped at One Stop Pet Shop and then All Pets Club all the time.
Finally, I am truly sorry for the woman who had received the puppy from this store that had this congenital defect with the missing bone in it's neck. I can only imagine the pain you must feel when you realized this. However, I do feel that you should have gone through All Pets Club with the paper work. I believe they have a warranty that covers such defects... By law they MUST offer the 'puppy lemon law', which i believe is a shame...but their own warranty covers much more than the puppy lemon law does. I believe the only 'catch' is that you must go through their vet's in order to get them to cover any costs of any sort.
She said she never really had an major problems. The bichon had one ear mite which our Vet took care of. Aside from that they little clowns and love to run and entertain. Our breeder gave them TLC in the early going and it showed. Research, research and more researc is all I can say. Our pups we not dirty and laying in a cage full of debris and whatever. Yes I feel for all those little pups in petstore prison.
If APC is so wonderful and caring, then explain the cold-hearted lack of response from the owner???? Also, if a store is going to be the key of change, then selling defective merchandise should be offered compensation. I am certain there are some good situations, but the fact remains that there are many BAD ones all coming from your store and the research is showing the dogs are coming from puppy mills - there's no way to say otherwise. Getting dogs from a 'reputable breeder' that offers more than one breed of dog is a puppy mill. I know you will say what you must because it is your place of business but the store is irresponsible and selling under false pretense - sorry, not buying your defence.
Amanda, if you have nothing more to add, then don't write. This blog is for people to voice their opinions whether or not you like it. This is a topic that pulls at many heartstrings and shouldn't just be set aside because YOU are tired of it. It's a cold and cruel business and plenty of folks don't care for it - especially knowing the information that is surfacing at this point.
You would think that if the owner of the store cared, he'd offer some assistance - he's made no public effort to do so. I think plenty of people can see right through him now!! If you care about your product, then stand behind it. But, even then - puppies as products - JUST WRONG!!
Thank you...
adopt an animal from a shelter or rescue, its not always the answer. I adopted a puppy through a shelter. It was a very exiting time for us because we had waited until the right time to bring a dog into our home. We got "spider" home and within two hours he was throwing up and had severe diarreah.
We brought him the the vet the next day and they took all sorts of samples. We brought him home but realized we had to keep his kennel outside becuase he had no control of ANY of his fluids. The next day the vet contacted us and he had parvo. We brought him back but at that point he was to far gone and we had to put him down 2 days after we got him. The rescue didnt want to even acknowledge the fact that he was sick because that would mean that the other dogs would more than likely have it also. It was heart breaking and definately not what we expected.
Parvo is such a strong bacteria that we had to wait 6 weeks before getting another dog..and even then we had to get industrial strenght disinfectants that specifically killed the parvo virus. We got our nexx dog from a breeder.
the fact is that no matter where you get an animal from, it could have something brewing or a birth defect that the breeder, rescue..etc is unaware of. Its part of owning an animal. They are expensive and there is no getting around that.
As i mentioned earlier I brought a bird from All pets when the store had recently converted over from Pet stop. I know the people who hand feed those baby birds when they are shipped in. They truely love those animals and take the best care of them they can. If a breeder ships in a sick bird, what ever it has will spread. The workers are in constant physical contact with the birds and that alone makes it easy to spread a disease from on bird to the other. its not because of dirty conditions, I have been in the back rooms where usually only the employees are and they are clean. I dont know about the dog areas other than the fact that every time I have ever been in the store ( alot...) the rooms they stay in are always clean or being cleaned and you can see right through in the back room and there is always alot of activity back there. The employees working to stay on top of all the animals in thier care.
With that all said, that doesnt mean that I feel that they should not be held responsible for the health of those animals. Actually, if they care so much, they should not worry about what the law says and do what is right. have a vet on staff and an area set up for that Vet to work in and care fo sick animals. They charge and arm and a leg for those dogs so I am sure they can afford it. All animals purchased should be able to be brought back to that vet for treatment,shots..etc for 6+ months. If the store cares so much, it would go up and above.
The fact of the matter is that the puppy mills will not shut down if we stop buying from All Pets. And our own human nature for instant gratification ..no matter what the cost keeps places like All pets in business. And lets not mention the holier than thou rescues ( i have dealt with those too for the african grey i adopted. I jumped through hoops for 3 weeks to find out that the foster home didnt even have an adequate set up to care for him..thier answer when I questioned that..they didnt require thier fosters to be set up like the adoptees. I felt they should be the example to learn from..but this is another story). The rescues make it very difficult and uncomfortable for people to adopt . its the sad truth.
Any new animal that comes into our house goes straigh to the Vet. It will get a clean bill of health before it is allowed to live with my famliy.
if i disagree, as my fellow bloggers can attest i tend to be a little more direct and use swear words like cxhit, damn, bastard, etc...i'm sure chan 8 blogg police have had their "finger prints on the delete button" with a few of my comments...
How do you know the picture you are receiving is actually the real parent? Stop being so gullible.
Danny-How do you explain my experience? How does a manager who does not have a veterinary degree make the choice to administer a prescription medicication to a 9 week old pup? I hold the vet accountable in this case as well. An employee no matter how loyal has the ability to diagnose and dispense prescription meds without the pup being seen by the vet. Plain and simple. No notation of that medicaiton was on my paperwork so it only makes me wonder what else is going on back there.
If the owner is such a stand up guy, why did try to ban me from the store because I was not happy? He didn't even try to rectify my situation, didn't even offer to pay for the medication that my pup had to be on. He doesn't care about the customer, just the bottom line. BTW-he doesn't have to bother to call me to tell me I'm banned becuase I haven't and won't step foot in that store again and if more people would do the same, it would hit him where it will hurt him the most.
And finally, Shame on Channel 8...some expose. Yup you too cave to the almighty $$. Nothing like watching a good old game of nerfball last night. tsk tsk.
they do offer us 'unconditional love" too...
I refuse to purchase any product from APC; I'll drive miles to get what I need elsewhere. I did visit the Branford location to see for myself what the store was like. As I approached the area where the puppies were, the owner Jerry, sounded like a a pitchman. It is obvious he is only interested in the profit he makes. And as for mixed breeds that people are willing to pay hundereds for, there are plenty of mixed breed dogs for less at the SPCA and various other shelters. And does anyone ever ask, how can APC keep bringing in so many puppies week after week (of many diverse mixes) and Dan states they receive pups from 2 locations; how many litters do you think a dog has?? It is clearly a puppy mill!
Bottom line is people need to stop purchasing pets from pet stores and start giving homes to those pets that have been abandoned.
Hunte is not a breeder, it is a broker. They have nothing to do with the conditions of the breeder although they do try to control them with their stringent regulations about where they get puppies from.
Oh and by the way, whoever said I should seek help... what are you like 12? How juvenile of you.
As for AllPetsClub I have this to say: I have had the great fortune of knowing Jerry the owner for 18 years. I have been a regular customer of his for all of them. From the opening of his first store to the present and will continue to be. I have purchased many of my furry, feathered and scaly friends from him. I have also aquired some thru other means. Some have had their "issues" other not....but then again so have my children. I love them all and care for them all. That is my responsibility.
His store is always neat and clean. The variety of product available amazes me. His knowledgeable staff always hard at work yet available to answer any questions. Even as the owner he stops to work side by side with his staff no matter what the task. I wouldnt shop anywhere else.
Wherever the animals come from they are well cared for once inside his doors. Of that I am certain. Both of my dogs came from one of his longtime breeders and have brought me and my family nothing but joy.
I think the presentation of this segment by Channel 8 was very unfair. I tried to reserve judgement until Mr.Cohn had given them opportunity to respond. What a shame. Very poorly done. A true investigator would have remained unbiased and presented the whole story impartially. That is not what I saw. If this was about the law it got lost in the finger pointing and emotion. All Pets Club followed the law. Like it or not it is the law. Unfortunately since these are living breathing creatures there is no guarantee other than that when confronted with a problem emotions will run high. Gizmo's problem was a genetic one, not something visible or easily detectable. Niether is it in children. Children or often covered by insurance. It is also available for pets. Be responsible.
It's quite obvious to me that there are many, many people who have had issues. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
Long story short-DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM APC-that will be the only thing that affects them.
As for the store owner-he doesn't care. Didn't care enough to pay the $20 for the medication mine needed.
Lisa please explain how an unlicensed staff member who does not have a DVM can make the decision to give a puppy baytril which can affect the small growth plates? Hmmm....don't tell me the vet blanket order because that simply doesn't fly. The vet deemed the puppy in good health the only time she saw her. The puppy started coughing the next day. I asked that she been seen by the vet and they declined saying that they were going to watch her, that it was just stress. Then the puppy manager decided to give her a prescription drug on his own? Lisa-please explain how he can do that legally? I think you need to check your facts a bit more.
puppy mills and the sale of wild caught birds, not
to mention the impulse buying of animals whos
novelty wears off and ends up neglected or abandoned.
Doesn’t everyone understand that the average human infant gets five to seven colds during their first year of life? It’s truly sad that as many as five percent of all human pregnancies encounter life threatening situations before even leaving the hospital? Maybe we should start blaming obstetricians for the unfortunate consequences that Mother Nature brings to the table. Oh, I forgot, there are many out there who want to blame the obstetrician and it is the frequency of baseless negligence lawsuits that has resulted in a serious scarcity of qualified obstetricians. If anyone thinks that dogs from “reputable breeders” or rescue shelters etc. are not subject to frequent and serious illness they are kidding themselves. But if a puppy from a pet store gets sick it must be the fault of the puppy store! If a puppy from a breeder gets sick it must be because of something that the grieving puppy owner did wrong. This is just nonsense. People order dogs from breeders months in advance only to be told that al or some of the litter failed to survive and they can’t get a dog for six months or so. People get dogs from breeders and when the dog gets sick, the breeder, in almost all cases, will not refund money but will offer a replacement dog. When a pet store does that it’s just them being cruel and greedy. The answer my friends is not to legislate against the pet stores, but rather to legislate against the truly guilty puppy mills. But not everyone who breeds seventy five or 150 dogs a year is automatically a puppy mill. How is someone supposed to earn a living selling just 15 dogs a year? The small breeder either needs to be independently wealthy or have a real job somewhere else in order to just breed 15 dogs a year! How about strengthening the USDA laws governing breeders so that the truly bad ones could not operate. And how about looking at the role of the AKC. Whoever said that breeders who register with ACA instead of AKC blame it on the fact that the AKC won’t condone a breeder that breeds a large number of puppies annually. That is absolute nonsense! The AKC will register any purebred dog that seeks to be registered. There are many facilities breeding 500 puppies a year that get AKC registration. The reason breeders have moved away from AKC registration is because it costs about three times as much to register a litter with the AKC as with any other registry. Yes, the AKC does, in very few instances, suspend the registration privileges of breeders, but the suspension is usually based on egregious instances of animal cruelty (frequently court convictions!) or some technical issue involving recordkeeping practices.
When bringing a puppy home from a shelter or a breeder or a pet store or a newspaper ad, they are taking on the liability associated with owning a living being that can and often will require medical care. The joke is that many of the dogs that end up in dog pounds are there because their owners could no longer afford to care for them or because their owners abused or mistreated them in some way. There are definitely bad pet shops but there are also bad veterinarians and bad pet owners.
I’d like the emergency vet tech who wants to blame the pet shop for everything to honestly address the issue of how many puppies end up in the emergency room with Hypoglycemia because their owners didn’t feed them enough as well as how many dogs come in with pneumonia because their owners decided to ignore a cough or a cold when it was early enough to be cured with $25 of antibiotics? And how about the veterinarians who see puppies with a slight cold and instruct the owner to “watch it for a few days” or maybe the pet is given some mild antibiotic which does less to cure the puppy’s cold than chocolate milk would? Do the vets feel any responsibility for a misdiagnosis or an improper treatment that results in the onset of more serious illnesses like pneumonia? Absolutely not! But they are the first ones to say that the reason your dog got sick was because it came from that horrible puppy store. The fact is that veterinarians are no more infallible than pet store owners- the only diofference is that they get to keep the owner’s money whether or not the dog gets deathly ill or fails to survive. It simply is not an even playing field. I’d love to see Channel 8 pursue the horrors that often result from improper veterinary care. But it just seems wrong to put any blame on a professional who spent 7 or 8 years in school to become a vet. The fact is nobody makes the right decision all the time- why do you think veterinarian’s “practice” their profession. No one has all the answers. It’s not fair. It’s heartbreaking. It makes great news stories. But if everyone would step back a minute and look at this whole mess rationally, the pet store is simply not the primary problem. The puppy mills are the worst. Some pet stores are deplorable, but so are some vets as well as some owners who don’t take the time to learn how to properly care for their pet. Unfortunately, we tend to generalize everything, but it’s rarely if ever, that anyone has a monopoly on the right answer or on the truth. Anyone who thinks they have all the answers is kidding themself.
If APC truly wanted to bring families and pets together - donate the space otherwise used for puppy mill puppies and SAVE SHELTER PETS!! Stop breeding for profit. One litter per year per breeder is too many. Give shelter pets a chance. Establish Pet Adoption Centers modeled after Petsmart instead! If Petsmart could do it, all pet shops can do it. Save shelter pets! Take the demand away until the numbers of innocent animals dying in shelters isn't numbering in the millions per year.
Sure ACA is cheaper than AKC and the dog owner gets no benefits with ACA. In order for my puppy to do rally obedience competition she needs to be registered with the AKC Since the the puppy mill did not register her with the AKC, I can't. I must now get an ILP number for her through them. The ACA does nothing and is an alternate organization formed because these breeders could not register with the AKC . Here is a listing for Suspended AKC breeders and their reasons. http://www.barkbytes.com/suspend/suspindx.htm
As for Vet Tech-I believe what he says. My own vet has said the same exact thing. There are many, many more people that have similar stories.This is a small sampling.
I work in the health care industry. You stated there are no guarantees on Gizmo's operation, and that you have to sign documents of no recourse... hate to tell you but people have to sign the same type of documents and there are no guarantees for them either! But if an operation is a humans only way out what would you do put them to sleep??? I think every living thing should get a chance to live. This pup is 1 year old, he didn't ask to be born this way, and I feel great that there are so many compassionate, caring and loving people in this world that have opened their hearts to him. Gizmo may not make it (but I strongly believe he will) but at least we all tried and we know we gave him a fighting chance. I know many people in the surrounding area of Branford since I was raised there. I also work for a community that the percentage of residents as well as the employees are animal lovers. We all feel our animals are our family. Now I will tell you something, Gizmo is well known in this community becase he has spent time there with the residents, curling up on their laps and bringing smiles to many faces. How do I know this.... I am Gizmo's grandmother. As for Jerry & his partner Butch... when my daughter first called you it was to advise you not to use this breeder in the future, but you ignored her calls and passed her on to people who have no compassion. I love how you say Jerry often works 7 days 70 hours a week to eke out a decent living, wow! How is it that they take so many vacations????
They come will a 2 year written guarantee with a full refund . But yes you are right, who would do that? I would take out a loan if I had to help my puppies, They are one of the family. Oh, and incidently I take my pups to a great Vet on Rt 110 in Shelton, he said how remarkable these two dogs are. Great personalities and no problems. Both were
perfect when examined. they were a lot less than the pet stores. This lady interviews the family before she sells her dog to you.
When I worked at a pet store that sold puppies and kittens, I would always try to inform new pet parents of what they were getting into. Because yes, pet stores will sell to "impulse buyers," but there are people that work at pet stores that care more about the animals than the money. For instance, if I got the idea someone wanted to buy a dog to do work for them, or be trained for dogfighting (yes, it has happened) I would ask them to leave. These animals are for pets only. At my new store... which by the way is a leader in the industry. I can spend almost an hour with a pet parent helping answer their questions and find solutions to their problems, and I will always refer them to a vet with ANY health related questions.
Also, if any vet won't work with you or refer you to somewhere else or help you find a way to get the money for something that is necissary for the LIFE of an animal, all they care about is money, not your beloved family member.
I do believe that there need to be harsher regulations for both breeders and pet stores, not to mention harsher punishments for people who do not follow them. But I do not believe that the breeders or the stores need to be shut down. However, the pet overpopulation problem does need to be better addressed. And by the way, PETsMART may be smart in a profit sense by donating space to adoption centers, but the reason they do not SELL dogs or cats is because they do not want to contribute to the over-population of pets.
As for the vet techs- of course vet techs are going to see sick dogs. Healthy dogs don't go for emergency visits. And if you wanted to get an accurate reading of the health of the people in a given neighborhood, I don't think you'd say that sampling the people who are rushed to emergency rooms would be a good way to properly measure it.
ANDREA- please reread my original comments. Of course Gizmo should get the operation. Last month I spent over $5000 to save the life of my Yorkie that was hit by a car that drove away. The cost was pretty painful for me, but I was not about to let a dog I love dearly die because of the cost of saving him. If I didn't have the money, I could hve financed the cost at no interest via brochures at the emergency hospital. I probably could have saved a bit by asking the doctor to reduce his fee a bit (probably not much)- but the fact is that where there's a will, there's a way. As someone else mentioned, if it was a child that was at risk- most anyone would do whatever they had to in order to pay for the surgery. Owning a dog carries certain risks- regardless of where the dog came from. You simply cannot expect a pet store to have unlimited liability for anything that might befall a pet over six months after purchase. Now if the pet shop knowingly sold someone a dog that had a congenital defect they should have most of the liability- but I don't think that anyone is making that claim with Gizmo. He apparently became attached to an employee in the store who ultimately bought him- and I bet he paid a lot less than the dog would have been sold for to a retail customer. Not that the price really matters. But if anyone was in a position to know about the health issues of a puppy, wouldn't you think that someone who is an employee of the store would be in a position to know about the health of the puppy at the time of purchase. The owners of All Pets Club would have to be crazy to knowingly sell a 'defective' puppy to one of its own employees. And if someone is an employee of the store and they knowingly choose to purchase a puppy, don't you think they'd do a little homework and be unlikely to purchase a dog that had an existing condition. This problem is admittedly a very rare one and it is so unfortunate that the Regans have to deal with it. But life is, unfortunately, not fair. The very same problem could have arisen with a dog from the humane society or from a breeder. And what about probems that aren't so rare. Cavaliers are known to frequently have heart problems mid-life so does that mean that they should not be sold? Maybe it means that people need to do some research about the breed they buy and someone who cannot afford to pay for an expensive heart operation should never purchase a Cavalier puppy. There are similar problems with other breeds like the English Bulldog, but there are still plenty of people buying bulldogs who lack the financial resources required to care for them. This is not the pet shop's fault- unless they were aware of the defect. People who have limited resources shouldn't buy cars that require premium gasoline and expensive ongoing maintenance- but if they do you can't blame the car dealer.
There is no question that a dog is not like a computer that has a limited warranty-however, there has to be limits on the liability of the retailer even though there is a strong emotional tie that attaches to a loving puppy. While not quite the same, a film developer who ruins all the precious and irreplaceable photos of someone's wedding has liability that is limited to the cost of the film.
If the owner of All Pets Club goes on a lot of vacations that is not relevant to how much liability he should have. I can guarantee you that for many years this owner was probably tied to the business full time- and he has probably earned the right to enjoy some of his hard earned success. That doesn't justify him not getting back to customers in a timely and courteous manner, but I'm not sure that the owner in this case could have done enough to convince the Regans that he is honoring the obligations they think he should absorb for this pet.
And even if you believe that the owners don't care about the health of their puppies, you have to believe that the employees who work there- a number of whom made comments above- really do care about and love the puppies and are not likely to be intentionally and or knowingly sell pets that they know will become extemely ill.
Finally, there's one more outrage that I need to get off my chest- It deals with all the people who think that the USDA does such a bad job policing pupy mills. The Animal Welfare Act requires that any person with three breeding females and/or having a fairly small number of puppies offered for sale in any year be licensed by the USDA. There is a fairly long list of standards that the USDA measures via two annual inspections of each licensee. I think most of the people on this blog are aware that there are lots of these so called "reputable breeders" located around the state of Connecticut who fall within the licensing requirements of the Animal Welfare Act. But would anyone like to guess how many Connecticut breeders have been licensed and therefore inspected by the USDA? If you answered any number other than ZERO you would be wrong! The only USDA licensed breeder of any type in CT breeds sugar gliders not puppies. Maybe the News 8 team ought to start visiting the breeders in our own backyard (who are too good to let their dogs be sold in a pet store) to find out why they are in such clear violation of the very federal laws that all the supposed dog activists say the puppy mills are violating. This is obviously one of those situations where the puppy activists want others to do as they say but not as they do. It's real easy to criticize- but a lot harder to actually make a positive impact. Most of those commentin above are a perfect illustration of this fact.
Shopping for dogs keeps the puppy mills in business. Puppy mills and bad breeders cause a lot of suffering to dogs. There are 4 million dogs and cats in shelters in the USA. 25% are purebred - 4 million are euthanized every year. BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION, NOT THE PROBLEM.
The pet shops should take care of EVERY puppy and make sure he or she is completely healthy before even putting them up for sale. And they should have some type of insurance policy for the first 3 months.
People, Sen. Ed Meyer is taking up the cause of animal welfare. Maybe it is time everyone who feels strongly against pet shops selling dogs/kittens and puppy mills supplying them and even to make a strong request for breeders to observe a moratorium on breeding until the staggering numbers of shelter animals dying in shelters drops significantly, write to Sen. Ed Meyer - write to Att. General Richard Blumenthal and Gov. Rell. Something legal needs to be done to stop these acts of cruelty and protect the animals and it needs to happen NOW!
Take a look at this website explaining the alternate registeries. Avid Dog lover and the rest can rationalize their feelings any which way they desire.
The bottom line.."Many more of these registries were created when the AKC began requiring inspections of large kennels & mandatory DNA samples for all male dogs producing more than three litters in a calendar year or seven litters in a lifetime - The American Kennel Club’s Frequently Used Sires Requirement."
Scroll down and read the whole website. Pay attention to the section explaining the alternative registeries then take a look at APC website and see how many of those alternate registeries are listed.
Regardless of any previous experience you may have had, it's an education and gives you real reason to think.
Wonderful suggestion Donna. Instead of bickering back and forth wasting time here, we should all write to our state representatives requesting that importation of these animals into the state be stopped. That's how we are going to stop this once and for all!
I urge all of you who agree to do this today and ask all your like minded friends to do so as well. If we all do it, then they will listen.
Here is Ed Meyers email for convenience:
Meyer@senatedems.ct.gov
You can reach the Attorney General here:
attorney.general@po.state.ct.us
I pray Gizmo and his family find a positive end to this story and his surgery can be done with success to allow for a happy healthy and LONG life with his family. Maybe any new legislation regarding the pet lemon law should be named in his honor - the Gizmo Bill.
Above someone mentioned that if the law was different, the Reagans and Gizmo would not be in this position. ( so something similar to that..)
That is very true.
The Reagans would have another heathly dog, and Gizmo would have been euthenized because his birth defect would have deemed him an unsellable.
He would have been put down because of his defect and never given the chance to live with Good people like the Reagans who chose to fight for his
health and love him despite his defect.
While it is true that some pet stores are just filthy, I don't understand WHY these people keep supporting them? Don't you see the puppy in the corner with diarrhea or do you just look the other way thinking, "but its so CUTE".... ahhh, yes puppies are cute. People.... spend some time at the store! Watch what is coming out of the butts of the little ones. This would be your first clue NOT to get a cute puppy from this store. IF everyone actually spent some time in a pet store, instead of "OH how cute" they would spare themselves a lot of heartache in the end.
I also have to ask, while birth defects are a part of life, don't you people realize that these Labradoodles and such are nothing more then genetic freaks? Do your homework people. These genetic freaks and NOT made by mother nature. What does that tell you? Really, if you don't support these places, they will NOT survive. I feel sorry for Gizmo, but if he is in truly that much pain and in a body cast, do the dog a favor and let him leave this world with some dignity instead of suffering for a prolonged period of time.
For a race that thinks you are smart, most of you are pretty dumb when it comes to "cute puppies". STOP with the instant gratification! Do your research. Put the rotten breeders and puppy stores OUT OF business. Its simple, don't support them!
~ Jack
Another thing if you want to pay a high price for a dog or cat a pet store, know that if you go to a reputable breeder they will most likely have had the animals given their first set of shot and are altered. Where as with pet store you pay a high price and still have to have the shot taken care of and have the animal altered. Think about that the next time you decide you want another pet.
More importantly, I don’t understand why anyone including News 8 thinks that Gizmo’s situation would be any different if he had been purchased from a breeder. Or from a shelter. Or under some stronger state lemon law.
Let’s start with a purchase from a breeder. There isn’t any breeder I know of who would offer to pay the $7000 for the unusual operation. The most “reputable breeder” out there would simply offer the Regans another puppy. That is the policy of breeders! There are possibly a few breeders who might offer to refund the Regan’s purchase price. But that’s all any breeder would ever offer to do. And what if the dog was returned to a breeder? The breeder would certainly do their best to keep the dog comfortable but is only a minority of breeders who would be in a position to spend $7000 on an operation. It’s sad but true!
Now what if the dog was adopted from a shelter? The only thing a shelter would do is apologize and obviously give them an opportunity to adopt another dog. The joke is that there are actually some shelters who would consider whether they should allow the Regans to adopt another dog because they don’t have the financial resources to give it the required medical care! And what does anyone think would happen to the dog once it was back at the shelter? An extremely well-funded shelter might spring for the surgery, but that would be extremely rare. The fact is that even so called “no kill” shelters will nonetheless euthanize animals that are not suited to be adopted for behavioral or serious medical issues.
Finally, what would happen under a stronger CT state puppy lemon law? At most, a stronger law would extend the period in which the store would be required to either refund the original purchase price or offer a replacement puppy. How would that help the Regans? The toughest lemon law in the United States provides for reimbursement of veterinary expenses in an amount equal to DOUBLE the purchase price of the puppy. But this law wouldn’t be applied to a medical problem discovered over six months after the puppy left the store. And even if the Regans were to get double the purchase price for Gizmo as compensation, it wouldn’t come close to paying for the $7000 surgery!
Let’s say that the State of Connecticut in its infinite wisdom attempted to hold a puppy store liable for a congenital defect that is identified over six months after purchase and require full veterinary reimbursement, I can guarantee that no store would continue to sell puppies in CT. Before all of the activists start jumping up and down, you need to understand that the only result of this is that CT citizens wanting to buy a puppy from a puppy store would simply buy their dogs from stores in New Jersey or New York- most of which purchase ALL of their puppies from the huge puppy brokers like Hunte and Lambriar or who purchase many of their puppies from the Amish in Pennsylvania. All of the activists need not get too excited about this final option because there is no legislature in this country that would hold a business owner open to unlimited liability for a defect they had no knowledge of at the time of sale.
If anyone thinks that it isn’t possible for a “reputable breeder” to sell a dog like Gizmo is kidding themselves. No breeder can guarantee that a congenital defect might pop up out of nowhere in any puppy. Do you not understand that congenital defects like MS show up in humans long after they leave the maternity ward and all of the genome identification in the world has any likelihood of eliminating these congenital defects anytime soon. The fact is that a living thing is beyond the ability of anyone, including “reputable breeders” to completely eliminate. I know it’s hard for everyone to accept this, but just, for a moment, give it some thought. Gizmo’s family is in the same position as the family that tragically discovers that their toddler cannot survive without a very expensive medical procedure.
It’s very easy to get all excited about an unfortunate situation, and it’s always human nature to look for someone to blame. Unfortunately, most of you are simply picking on the wrong culprit.
And by the way, one of the best ways for a family to insure that they don’t get into the problem that the Regans are in is to sign up for Puppy Medical insurance. There are four or five different companies offering this insurance on the web and in most cases they would cover s much as 90% of the cost of this type of surgery. One of the companies is VPI which stands for Veterinary Pet Insurance. Th annual premium for this insurance is about $300 and it even covers some wellness visits and preventative .treatments. We are well on our way to legislating catastrophic insurance for all children, and maybe there should be a greater focus on pet insurance as well. The risks of not having this insurance are obviously potentially devastating.
I understand that there is a lot of information being posted here but there is a lot that I want to say so I’m going to do it a few shorter postings. I have a lot more to say.
And while on the topic of neutering and spaying, it should be understood that these procedures are highly frowned upon in such a nation like Great Britain where studies have shown that the lack of spaying and neutering does not increasde the number of stray animals. Go Figure! Also Many in Great britain argue that puppies continue to develop for over three years if they are not altered. How can we be so sure that we have a monopoly on the right answers?
This also goes deeper for many people. Many people on here and people who have written reviews elsewhere and those that I have spoken to personally, have expressed great disatisfaction with the owner of APC and the treatment they have recieved.
Sure nothing in life is guaranteed, but a reputable breeder works to ensure the breed standard and is responsible enough to make sure if there is a genetic condition, that the parents do not breed again. The commercial breeders that APC and other pet stores get their puppies from don't do that because like the pet stores they are in it for the money.
The State Dept of Agriculture told me that that the breeder makes about $200 a puppy. Where do you think the rest of the money goes? Right in the store owners pocket. The owner makes money even on the pups that have been marked down-don't let them kid you.
Sure the owner has a right to make money, sure he can fool himself into thinking he's an avid dog lover and is only doing the best, but when all is said and done, he is only one more part of the whole puppy mill business. Plain and simple
As I said earlier, I have no connection whatsoever to APC. I have never even met either of the owners. But I really do love dogs and I really don't ever want to see a dog euthanized anywhere and I have come to know a great deal about the pet industry including stores, breeders, and sorry to say, lots of vets.
To think that a vet would do something so unethical as to falsify a diagnosis to protect a pet store is extremely hard to believe. I can't see any vet risking their license to do something so stupid. I hope we haven't all become so cynical that we would believe that. Having said that, I don't know who the vet or vets are that serve APC. But if they ever did hide a diagnosis to protect a pet store, they are far more guilty than all but the most horrible of puppy mills and should be prosecuted. But don't forget, in Gizmo's case, the puppy was seen by three other vets who were also unable to identify the problem. This makes it highly unlikely that the first vet saw something that was hidden.
To make the case that if Gizmo was raised by a "reputable breeder" is also a statement that also has no evidence to support it. Genetic defects are not necessarily predictable. There is no question that if the puppies geneology demonstrates that Gizmo's ailment appeared somewhere else in either the littermates or within one or two generations of Gizmo, then of course that breeder should never again breed Gizmo's parents. There is no evidence of that here. Gizmo's problem is extremely rare and could very possibly be a one time event. It is just not fair to automatically assume that because the dog came from a pet store and from a midwest breeder that Gizmo's ailment is a result of the genes of his ancestors. The very same ailment could absolutely show up in the litter of the finest breeder in the world. I know of dozens of stories of dogs from "reputable breeders" who came down with congenital ailments of all kinds, as well as many who developed pneumonia, had parasites, ear mites, and more- including many who neve made it anywhere near their first birthday. It can happen anytime and anywhere. What I'm continuing to be amazed at is how many of you think that The Regans would be in a better position financially if Gizmo was raised by a reputable breeder. The operation would still cost just as much and the breeder wouldn't be absorbing any more financial responsibility. There are all of these websites that claim to be there to educate the public about the horror of buying a pet from a puppy store. Most of them rely heavily on www.petshoppuppies.org which, upon the request of anyone who has bought a puppy from a pet store, will provide information on the breeder and broker and pet store that the puppy came from. This site is performing a valuable service, but it is certainly not attempting to provide the WHOLE STORY! I invite everyone to go to this site and look at exactly what service they provide. PetShopPuppies will not investigate any puppy purchased from a breeder or from a web site!!!!!!! Does that tell you something about their ultimate mission? If someone buys a defective puppy from a private breeder, this site will refuse to provie any information on the background of the puppy!!!! Sorry, but I don't understand the logic of refusing to investigate a sick puppy if it didn't come from a Pet Store!!!! Maybe someone out there will start a website called "WWW.ReputablePreederPuppies.org or "www.internetpuppies.org" so that those people who buy puppies at places other than pet shops can hav access to the same information as those who buy puppies from pet shops!!!
As you look at the information at the PetShopPuppies, please note that the site has failed to find negative information on the vast majority of requests they have received. Also please note that most of the USDA inspections which appear on the site are all from the years 2001 thru 2004. If you are going to rovide this kind of information, shouldn't it be somewhat current? Also please note that many of the pet shop buyers requesting information report that their puppies were perfectly healthy. Most important of all, please note that the way most people come to seek information on the backgrounds of their puppies is from posters placed on the bulletin boards of such disparate places as Emergency Veterinary Hospitals, Veterinarian's offices, and places like Stew Leonard's. And most important of all, please note that the message on these posters is anything but unbiased. The posters usually read "Did you buy a sick puppy from a pet store" and go on to say that this organization is dedicated to helping them with their problems by seeking legislation to outlaw the continued sale of puppies from horrible puppy mills and will also keep them informed of any potential class action lawsuits in which they can participate so they can recover the costs of their sick puppy. The poster includes a picture or pictures of dogs suffering in deplorable conditions. Now let me ask one simple question? How many people who are satisfied with the puppy they got from a pet shop are likely to contact this site? Obviously very few. Unfortunately this makes the information on this site totally inaccurate and incomplete because it only attracts the unhappy buyers- and if you're an unhappy buyer from a breeder, they won't even respond to your request!!! Sorry, but if you think PetShopPuppies provides an accurate picture of pet store buyer satisfaction, you probably still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction!
So Ct Sox fan- please give some thought to just how unfair the playing field has become!
I keep hearing claims that APC is either unresponsive or less than pleasant in dealing with many of these issues. If that is the case, there is no excuse for such behavior. I'm not defending them here, but I can understand how frustrating it is to consistently be blamed for either acts of g-d or even worse, the mistakes of veterinarians- most of whom are quick to blame everything on the pet store. And everytime a pet store owner brings a dog to be cared for in an extremely expensive emergency hospital (Yes, many pet stores do provide expensive care to their puppies rather than euthanize them!) and he sees a poster obviously solely aimed at further inciting the small percentge of his customers who encounter problems, it must be very hard for him to control his anger.
For many customers who are not educated dog owners, the word of the veterinarian is gospel and the word of the pet store owner is just not believed.
Believe it or not, most veterinary practices operate to make a profit. There are as many horror stories about veterinarians as there are about pet shops. I will address some of these in my next posting.
I feel I may know who you really are and I think my daughter was too nice to you! I'm the fighter in the family, I will fight for what I think is unfair! I think you and these puppy mills should be exposed by the press, tv, billboards and whatever else it takes. If a living thing is dying and there is no hope, fine let it go. But if there is hope and light at the end of the tunnel all caring, compassionate and loving people would do whatever they can to save this life. I know a few employees of All Pets Club. One that got bit by an iguana in the chin & needed medical attention, a $200 shot, that you refused to pay for that employee paid themselves. To my understanding almost everyone likes dealing with Butch, and not Jerry. Maybe that's why Butch wasn't on tv, from what I hear he is the one with compassion. There's always one bad apple... Many of the teens in the shop pass meds or give shots to these animals are they qualified??? My grandson left in good standing but nowhere in this blog does it state that he was a happy employee. Where did that come from? Do you know him???? I believe in freedom of speech but I feel you are making a fool of yourself.
None of this makes Gizmo's case any less sad or unfortunate but it certainly has to make you question whether APC hid something from the Regans. News 8 did a real poor job of reporting this saga in that they failed to report this very important piece of the story. OOPS!
And by the way, I'm not sure what you were trying to say about saving the life of a dog, but please understand that I am very hopeful that Gizmo can get the operation and live a long and happy life. just because i don't believe in trashing every pet store indiscriminately, doesn't mean that I don't care a great deal about every dog.
Yes our son did work at All Pets Club, we are not hiding that, if we were we would not have posted it in our first comment and WTNH knew this as well. No one is stating that All Pets Club knew from the start they were selling Gizmo knowing there were health issues. The problem is they don't communicate w/ the customers when the issues are brought to their attention and they don't try to offer any sort of resolution or assistance. We believed they used reputable breeders... a teenager trusting the word of his boss and we as parents should have done some research I have NO problem admitting that but you know what... it comes down to this a puppy that needs a surgery to get better... a puppy that didn't ask for this, a puppy that chose a family that will do everything it can to get him the medical attention he needs to get well and live a long healthy life. All Pets Club should not use puppy mills, bottom line!! PS... how did you know Gizmo was from the midwest as you stated in the comment posted 02/10/08 @ 22:12??? Wasn't in my comments or on the news.... dumb luck or do you know more than you are admitting to?????
As I said multiple times, my heart goes out to you. I have no knowledge of Gizmo's breeder but many postings have said that all of APC's dogs come from the midwest- so yes it was luck (I don't admit to being dumb). If any of the breeders that APC uses are truly puppy mills I agree that it should be stopped immediately. But not every breeder of a lot of puppies in the Midwest is a puppy mill. You are absolutely right, the issue here is about a poor puppy that needs an operation. But this should not be turned into an occasion to trash every puppy store and conclude that they are all despicable liars who don't care about the puppies they sell. Good luck to you and Gizmo. I just hope you can understand where I am coming from
If this store has a warranty that I dunno you probably have to sign or whatever, wouldn't you know what you're supposed to do? Why does the way the store communicates with customers after they purchase a puppy have anything to do with it? Number one, you signed it so you agreed with it. And number two, the warranty is obviously a legal document that explains things for you.
Also, why aren't you looking into a payment plan or line of credit in order to just get the operation if you care so much? If you care as much as you say you do, the amount shouldn't matter and even if it somehow does because you know you definately can't avoid it you would find someone who can have it fixed. Be it another home or whatever. You simply used a controversial topic to not only get your faces on TV and beg people for money, but put a slant on and slander an entire industry. Not all pet stores are the same.
And by the way anyone who believes they are and all pet store puppies come from puppy mills or that no pet store employee cares about animals or the homes they go into, etc. is an extremist whose views are never going to be changed just like all extremists. Example: PETA (or some form of them) extremists actually believe that NO animal should ever be kept as a pet and there was actually a video of PETA members going into shelters and adopting animals and then euthanizing them in a van outside just so that they would not have to "suffer" living confined.
Oh, and not all shelters and adoption agencies are complete angels either... look at what happened to ELLEN!!