when i heard this while leaving work this morning, i almost had to 'boot'...Senator liberman has forgotten his roots...when he was AG, he did a bang up job for the people of Connecticut; when he was elected to the US senate, he also did a bang up job for the people of connecticut, he made public appearances, and marched in parades...now, if you were to ask him where he lives, he'd say Washington, DC!!!

if i could invite Senator Liberman or Benadict Arnold to dinner, "hey Benadict, how do you want your steak done?" liberman being the bigger turn coat in my mind...

liberman is without question is bedding down and prostituting himself out to the right wing fascist republican party... do you think i want to see the 19 year old next door being sent over to a chitty country in the south west asian theater on garrison duty for a 'lot' of people who have no reguard for the santity of human life yet wrap themselfs around a great holy book like the Qaron??? hell no!!!


good issue marc, you'll get a good amount of hits with this one....

Joe, you can`t be serious,get checked for senility.McCain hates Native Americans,that means he hates Americans and has unethical standards.I know your just doing it for a distraction act.And your old friends.First your Democrat,then Independant,now let`s go Republican.Your a mixed up mess latley time to play Betovan and rollover.Times have changed.after this now I can`t trust you,What the hell are you doing now everyone is going to read meinhemp from Hitler to see if the jews are liers,your a jerk,or senile.~Peace Glenna~

Read my lips....Joe is on his last term.

Too bad. He used to listen to the voters of Connecticut.

Bye, bye, Joe.....

I would endorse Bob Dole over McCain anyday,and with the Bush Administration,run by Cheney I may add,I am ticked off at the swine act of the Republicans running in where they don`t belong and are unwanted.I still say Bush has a gun to his head figurtigvly speaking.~Peace Glenna~

Sen. Lieberman endorsed whom he feels is the best candidate for President. He is an Independent. I don't see a problem with that. Mark, why do you think the republicans helped with their votes? Aren't there more registered Independents in CT than democrats and republicans? Lamont was a favorite only to the extreme left of the democratic party and not to moderates, if I remember correctly with all that I read during that time. Do endorsements really make a difference unless you're Oprah?

No matter what Joe Lieberman's affiliation is I still have great respect for him. Evidently some feel that Joe should think and do exactly as they do. I see President Bush is even getting blamed - unbelievable. The residents of this state have a right to vote the way they feel and don't have to be called names. As of now we have just one Senator who is taking care of CT and that is Joe Lieberman. This "Love to Hate" has got to stop. It is spreading.

If the election were today, I too would vote for John McCain for the same reasons that Joe Lieberman endorsed him. Both Lieberman and McCain have the best interests of this country on their minds when speaking to the American public. It's the American public that fails to get the message.

The battle against Islamic extremism is the biggest threat to our way of life and MUST be won! It must be won decisively! McCain has the most military experience and is the best person for the job.

If and when these religious extremists are convinced that they must hate everyone else quietly, then perhaps we can peacefully co-exist, but not until then. I repeat again that I think John McCain is the best candidate running at this time.

No offense to previous posters, but who cares, really.

Democrats/Republicans/Independents - none of them have OUR INTEREST in mind. Not one single person in politics. They've got to go get other millionaires to support them - ahem OPRAH - you don't see them campaigning with an Average Joe, do you?

Here's one example - I recently received a letter from my insurer stating that my monthly premium is GOING UP $100 PER MONTH starting January 1, 2008. I pay for all of my health insurance because I'm self-employed. Is there a benefit to that nowadays - NOPE. Or, at least, it's marginal. You can make your own American dream, but, hell, in 2007, you need to know people, POWERFUL people. Otherwise, you have to live week-to-week, paycheck-to-paycheck (or in my case Net 30), and you still GET THE ROYAL SCREWJOB!

DO YOU THINK THAT ANY POLITICIAN IS CONCERNED ABOUT THE RISING HEALHCARE COSTS IN THIS COUNTRY????????

ANSWER ME THAT LIEBERMAN, MCCAIN, HELL EVEN PRESIDENT BUSH - Where are your thoughts on this issue. HMM, haven't HEARD ANYTHING IN A LONG TIME.

Until each and every one of them walk's in the average man's/woman's shoes, they WILL NEVER CARE.

There, enough venting.

Now I feel much better. ;-)

Lieberman is Bushes yes man so the endorsement shouldn't surprise anyone. The fact that Lieberman calls him self an "independant" democrate is just another way of saying he'll vote anything republican. He just wouldn't admit the people of Ct. are tried of his stabing us in the back.

When they realize that they are public servants,and are working for the People and need to spend time with us even after they are elected,and not just give us a line,like a fisherman then we end up filah of souls.Then we are talking.We never get contact of Fireside chats to be informed.They go behind closed doors after they are elected and make more laws and we never have any say or warning of what they are doing until it`s done.That is a bit scarry.I would have a public question and answer discussion before I made Major decision that would affect everyone,we are all in this together..We the people of the united states of America.Not we the Government.~Peace Glenna~

What the hell is Glenna talking about??? Quit rambling, woman, and make your point clear. You use lots of words, but no one can understand what you're saying!

I really could care less who he, or anyone else endoreses. Only thing I really hate, is for these celebs., like Oprah, going on the campaign trail.

If she, or any other celeb thinks that they have enough influence to sway the American voter, they are nuts. Most of them have never been in politics. If they wish to supply funds to their favorite person fine, but stay the hell off the trail.

Guess I just hate it when a "big name" person thinks the public is going to vote for their candidate, cause they are celebs. Makes me feel like they think we don't have a mind of our own, to vote for whoever we feel is the right person for the job.

There, now I feel better. :-)

Lieberman is a rotten turncoat & a Bushy. This is his last term.

I don't believe that this is his last term. people didn't think he had a chance running as an independent, but he walloped Lamont.
He is a man who thinks and talks and votes his mind. Maybe what we need are more people like him rather than those who say, well, I'm a democrat, so I'll vote for who ever runs on the democratic ticket. People are followers and it shows more and more on election day. Maybe for this next election, people will vote for how they feel rather than along party lines.

there are two schools of thought on a republican/representive form of government...

1. the elected person makes a voting decision by what the people in his/her district want, consensus...

2. the elected person maked his/her own voting decision on the elected persons judgement on what is best for his/her district...

the second one is bunk to me!!! just a 'liber-tyranical-man' excuse to do what they want...dictating to his constituants...

What politician can you really trust? They have no conception of the real workd or what it is like to have to worry about paying utility bills? They are not in touch with the "real world at all" and there is not one of the that is truthful. What is the choice-there is none, vote for whoever you think will do the least damage. Just get Bush out ASAP?

now that i think of it..was there not once talk of a McCain/liberman ticket a while back???

Hey y'all,

Here's a little tidbit to soak up while tipping back some eggnog (spiked I hope):

GET A BILL STARTED TO PLACE ALL POLITICIANS ON SOCIAL SECURITY

This must be an issue in "2008". Please! Keep it going.

SOCIAL SECURITY:

Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years.

Our Senators and Congresswomen do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it.

You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan.

In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan.

For all practical purposes their plan works like this:

When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die.

Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.

For example, former Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives.

This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries.

Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives.

Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADA....ZILCH....

This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds;

"OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK"!

From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, -every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer)- we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement.

Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits!

Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made.

That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us... then sit back and watch how fast they would fix it.


How's that for a shaft-job from our Government!!!

Who cares what Joe Lieberman thinks? When Joe gets his facts right on Iraq, on WMD, on Islamo terrorists, Iran and the real reason he supports a trillion dollar war in Iraq - I'll listen to his advice. Until then, he another two bit politician who's become a millionaire at taxpayer expense - and accomplished damn little in the process. So...again who cares and somebody please tell me why this is worth more than two sentences on the nightly news.

Lieberman has done nothing for the U.S., and especially nothing for CT. His only concerns appear to be AIPAC and Israel, and he couldn't care any less about much else.....a smug, self-righteous bozo, who is now clearly showing his colors...wish he would just move to Israel and stay there......

It would be so nice if the men would just sit back and let the women run things,so we could bless them.How can women be happy campers when they are prisoners in their kitchen with no relief.If you hold someone down when they go they don`t return for for more captivity,the ultimate desire for a human is freedom.This is why folk that take vows til death do we part,begin dieing and make out wills,and funeral arrangments.The Women always take care of things.They can certinly take care of a nation,it`s a home on a larger scale with a few more Children same principals.men are ruthless and heartless,and have no Mercy.now i know thats not all men 90%,it dosn`t balance out.A womans touch is what we need.The men have brought us to the brink of extintion with te polution and posioning of the water take a look around.It`s not forever just some tweeking and the women will se the men in a new light,not domenering,and controling.There is too much pressure on the men these days.if we were in charge of Blessing this nation,it would be beyond your wildest dreams.So Beautiful.~Peace Glenna~go Hillary Clinton!

First case of deadly bird flu,on yahoo news.~Peace Glenna~

Mr. Leiberman is a disgrace to the Democratic Par
Party and to the state of Connecticut.
I have absolutely no respect for him. Perhaps
he thinks if McCain is the Republican
candidate he would be the Vice-Presidential
candidate. In the eyes of the rest of the
world the good reputation of the United
Statesof America has gone down hill.
In my opinion Mr. Leiberman has been one of
the contributing factors. He shoud retire
from politics before he makes things worse.

I don't like the "New Joe Lieberman" I don't trust trust the "New Joe Lieberman" He is a traitor to the Democratic party and the voters of Connecticut who for so many years supported him until he went to the "DARK SIDE" and linked arms with BUSH/CHENEY and the rest of the liars in the Administration.

This is really sad. I hope this is Joes last term. I think he is shooting for a run as McCains VP.

McCain did a diservice crawling that low as to ask Joe to go Republican after being Democrat then jumping ship to Independent.What does that say about how desprate McCain is to have someone like that who can`t make up their mind,endorse them.Now they both really look like tweddle de and tweedle dum.~Peace Glenna~

glenna... sabres or pistols at 10 paces for that female remark!!! your choice!!!

:-O

Why doesn't Joe Lieberman just switch political parties and get it over with. If you talk like a Republican and walk llike a Republican, you are a Republican. I sincerely hope the citizens of Connecticut vote him out of office.

Joe Lieberman is a man of principle. Something most of the Democrat Party knows nothing about. He isn't trying to endear himself with anyone. He is doing what he feels in his heart is best for America. God Bless him. Thetritors and back stabbers are Chris Dodd and algore for not supporting Joe in the Democrat Primary,

"Say it isn't so Joe." Lieberman and McCain both have their heads in the sand. McCain supports Bush's war and Joe backs McCain.
In regard to Jane's comment that we only have one senator working for the people of Connecticut is incorrect. Have you forgotten Senator Dodd?
Joe became a career politician when he left Connecticut as Attorney General. Now I think he has his eyes as becoming the number two man if McCain becomes president.
"Say it isn't so Joe."

Who cares about Libermen he is a nobody,I hope it hurts MCCain.

The cold, hard reality is that our government is driven by party affiliation. Nearly everything that comes to Congress gets passed or not passed based on party or on deals between cooperating groups. Lieberman is just the great pretender with his childish assertions that party does not matter. No one is that naive. This would be bad if he did it after the primaries, once he knew who was running from the Democratic side. But to do it now? He's infuriating and way too taken with his own sense of his "moral" superiority. Go find another state, Mr Lieberman. CT does not want you.

A flaming arrow jeff!~Peace Glenna~

Joe is trying to do what most politicians do, make a career out of it. I use to like him alot, but this flip floping is making him look like an idiot in my eyes. I really can't see him as a VP.

Sorry Joe, but make up your mind!!!

Leave the arrows sexual preference out of this Glenna.........:)

How dare ye pick on my prosthesis,->~Peace Glenna~

I have zero use for either party these days as neither reflects their actual constituants and both take monies from the same lobbyists. We need a third centerist party that cares more about getting things done in a responsable manner than the herd of polarized lemmings now in office.

john c...again, how many times must i remind you, your slipping again...don't forget the "Damns"...

glenna, flaming arrows are very unusual dualing weapons...

and from the looks of things liberman is not making too many friends on his former home turf...he must be a NY Yankee fan...

O`dual`s non Alcoholic beer,get chuggin!~Peace Glenna~

glenna...i drink BUSCH NA...

steve...your right...a third party would be nice...

Lets not forget that Lieberman won more of the Conecticut voters than the left wing Democrats.
I see there are still some sour grapes around town :-)

Joe's endorsement of McCain more than likely doesn't mean diddley squat outside of Connecticut. Remember, he ran for president and did not get the nod. With this defeat, he will surely carry it over to McCain who is probably nervous at this point.
I believe this is Joe's last term as a Connecticut senator, whether he runs again and will surely be defeated, or come back to the state and retire.

Senator Lieberman did what he believes is best for our country. People with values and courage are to be admired.

Joe only cares about Joe. He wants to send our children to war, while his children (and his wife) earn six figure salaries lobbying in DC. Joe's nose was bent because how dare CT challenge HIS Senate seat. Joe is a disgrace.

R.Guliani in disguise needs his glasses,as well as Judy is disguise,needed her glasses taken for at least a fortnight,this is American a Nation not a Playboy mansion.~Peace Glenna~

What a bunch of wanna be Liberals..Lol,Joe was forced to be Independent because the Liberal Left wanted a puppet called Lamont. Get your facts straight. And last I knew Neddy boy is a Wealthy Republican in Democratic clothes!

The Wealthy Wacko Liberals are no better than anyone else in public office.Money talks the same in both parties! And the Middle class are footing the bill.

Joe is a moderate person and holds moderate values, MoveOn the Socialist group are bent to get rid of the Moderates that think Independent.To much RA on the brain can make you a sheep in the field!

"Taxation without representation"

Mr. Joe is mixed up. He doesn't care where he goes as long as he WINS somewhere............
Disappointing, very disappointing.

I never will understand why the Democrats want to rid of the party of diverse views such as Lieberman. It does not speak well of the Democrat party and I think Liberman, a man of values, has no choice but to distance himself from the loons.

I THINK THAT JOE LIEBERMAN HAS TWO FACES AND I REGRET VOTING FOR HIM, I SHOULD HAVE VOTED FOR THE OTHER GUY. CONNECTICUT SHOULD HAVE KNOW SOMETHING WAS FISHY WITH HIM WHEN HE CHANGED PARTIES JUST TO SAVE HIS JOB. YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT WHEN THE NEXT ELECTION YEAR COMES AROUND JOE WILL DEFINITELY BE OUT!!!

Lieberman just loves playing on the national stage.
He has no idea what his constituancy is.
YES JOE PEOPLE FROM CONNECTICUT!
you are not a Democrat. You are not an independent, you are simply a self serving meglomaniac. Got a taste for national politics and you are running amok. What about your "good friend" Chris Dodd?
I will do my best to see that you never hold another political seat. ever!

Same to you CJP from Joe`s blog.~Peace Glenna~

Anyone who allows an endorsement (whether its a celebrity or another politician) to decide their vote rather than doing their homework on the candidates should not be allowed the privilege and responsibility of voting. Personally, I could care less who Oprah or Joe or anyone else endorses. The person who will get my vote is the person whose views are the closest to my own.

First I must reply to Jeff,
I am in Groton, here Benedict Arnold had our patriots slaughtered while fighting a war for our enemy. You could learn this by visiting Fort Griswold here in Groton. Lieberman found out who his turncoats were. The uneducated Democratic voters that supported Ned Lamont. Lamont ran on one issue....get the troops out of a bloody civil war. Well Pelosi and Reed the most powerful in DC. have not done that. One year later in Iraq 9 of 18 provinces are turned over to the Iraq security forces. Lamont was wrong like you and Benedict. So start grillin the steaks and start working on uniting these states like Lieberman is offering with this endorsement. It is obvious that a third party can do well with todays voter sentiment. Lieberman, could be the leader of it. I would support it.

rick, rick, rick... who marched a colonial militia to boston to besiege the british in 1775??? who took fort ticonderoga??? who besieged Quebec???(and took a .69 cal ball to his left leg, breaking it) who beat the british in lake champlaine in 1776??? who took a key british entrenchment at saratoga in 1777???(and took another .69 cal ball to the same leg) who paid his troops and paid for provisions for his troops out of his own pocket???who was politicly sidlined and low balled by congress??? benadict arnold...

then he went to the regulars, faught just a audaciously for them aginst the rebels, as he did for the rebels... a traitor, yes...abandoned by the young country he faught for, absolutly!!!

i'll dine with benadict before joe liberman any day...

(don't belive everything the school books or the establishment tells you)

Good for him, about time someone does what they think is right and not just doing what looks good for their party like some robot. As a Democrat, that's why I voted for Joe!

Way to go Rick, Right on!

Y'all better keep these political blogs goin' before they shut the lights off in your State capitol.

;-)

Oops, I meant "the other" utilities.

;-)

Film maker Ken Burns endorsed Barack Obama now,he seems like a person that dosn`t have enought fuel for the duration,Hillary Clinton on the other hand is American,Obama`s Dad wasn`t an American.Hillary seems to have enough fuel for the job and then some.With all kinds of important creative pertint to the issues at hand ideas that could change this Nation into a highly Productive state producing Enviornmentally safe concequences simutanously.Fresh Air,fresh water,clean food,all on the adgenda.How could we say no to hillary.Ask her Daughter,I am shure she ran a Beautiful Home.The Nation is a home on a larger scale.~Peace Glenna~

U GO JOE!!!!!!! That's all I got to say about that.

Joe Lieberman is dead wrong about what is the most important issue.

The terrorists want us to think about them and worry about them every moment of our waking lives. They don't have the power to kill us all, that is why they use terror. Only we can change our way of life, only we can destroy our own freedom, and it is by the likes of people like George Bush and Joe Lieberman who want to make this THE most important issue.

So much easier to deal with that than the rest of the complex issues that we face every day.

Joe Lieberman disgusts me for many reasons. He continually makes himself out to be a moderate when he is not. He is almost as liberal as Ted Kennedy and Dodd. But now he's going to endorse John McCain?? Despite the fact that he would nominate Supreme Court justices who would make the Court even more conservative. It's not all about the war and terrorism, Joe, despite what you and the Republicans want to believe.

Joe is dead right about the most important issues--- so there :-)

neil, neil, neil...the most important issues are his constituants...and he has forsaken us for the "golden calf" statue of republican greed and power...( the democrates have their own "golden calf" too)

jeff,jeff,jeff-- last I checked Joe won the election with a good majority. So maybe he does not follow what YOU think is important, but most people think he has/is doing a good job for Connecticut. YOu seem to fall for the DNC talking points:-)

I remember way back when the Mianus Bridge collapsed on I-95, all of the insurance companies were bickering about who was going to pay the poor innocent people who drove off the end of the bridge. One couple in particular, the truckers, were in a nursing home due to near-life-threatening injuries and were losing their home due to their inability to pay their mortgage. NO insurance carrier would pay those poor people, who did nothing wrong that night except to trust that the bridges in CT were safe to drive on.
One person stepped forward and COMPELLED that those innocents be made whole out of the state's money. The state then waited for reimbursement from the insurers when the arguments were done about who would pay for what and how much. That person was Joe Lieberman, when he was the Attorney General of our state.
I admired him back then, but I don't even recognize him now.

max... E X A C T L Y ...

Hmm-- Joe has not changed in my eyes. He still stands for American values and princibles and speaks what he really believes. Only the far left (and those who are sucked in to their talking points) in the DNC don't like him because of his stand on the War.

Jeff, I believe Sen. Dudd has forsaken us for the golden calf. I would like to see the good people of CT get agitated enough to oust him in the next election. He's missed many votes this session, he's not doing the job we elected him to do. We're the saps who keep returning these duds to D.C. I'm ready for fresh new faces on the CT campaign trail.

i hear ya...i voted for dodd once... i like new blood down there..did vote for murphy in the 5th...got rid of that old bat nancy johnson who did NOTHING for Meriden!!!

hey......at least he didnt endorse that fraud HILLARY!!

mid night rambler...i don't hilary is the worst candidate out there...if she gets in, it would be like listening to ones mother...besides, great britian and it's empire did not fall after maggi thather, argentina has not fallen...

Jeff,

Do you really think it's about Hillary being a woman?? Sure, there's always going to be some of that, pure sexism, but the visceral reactions to her is about Hillary being... Hillary.

I for one would love to see a woman become president. At 42, I'm young enough to hope it will actually happen in my lifetime. I pray to God it is not Hillary Clinton!

And I'm a liberal Democrat, so please don't think it's a partisan or conservative motivation on my part. If she is the nominee, I will vote for her, but I will have to hold my nose. I definitely won't get out there and work on her campaign. At best she underwhelms me... mostly her smarminess sickens me almost as much as Romney's smarminess. And trying to pin her down on exactly where she stands on an issue is like trying to nail Jello to a teflon wall!!!

What concerns me the most is that she is the most divisive Democratic candidate, and the most capable of uniting the Republican Party who have become quite fractured lately. So, she'll divide the country but unite the Republican Party. Ugh.

I really don't want our first female president to be Hillary Clinton! Another thing that irks me is that since 1980, since before I was even old enough to vote, there has been a Bush or a Clinton not just on the ballot, but on the winning ticket, starting with George H.W. Bush as Reagan's VP.

From my childhood to middle age! Enough already. Time to end the dynasties. Time for fresh blood!

ms jill k... your killing me here!!!(just give me the .380 with hollow points) first of all, god is a woman, take it from me, getting a lap dances...secondly, all polititians are as slippery as an eel's ass, just tell me something new there...
thirdly, i think (as an ultra liberal democrat) it's about time for a president from the north east or better yet, new England, just to set this country straight!!!

Mitt would be my second choice, besides maybe he can have his former Lt. Governor Carrey Healey :-X (she's hot) work for him again... i do tend to go with the region when all things are equal... but rudy is not an option for this ct yankee...

Hillary? She's got more on the ball than her husband ever did, that's for certain. She's ruthless and power hungry of course but heck, so is every other politician that's seeking the presidency... it's just harder for an aggresive female to conceal her motivation than it is for a male. She's under a closer microscope than her opponents and to be honest, has more fervered opposition inside her own party than from the Republicans. Dems either love or hate her with no middle ground and Reps just dislike or are ambivilant about her.

Would I actually vote for her? Nope... not unless it was a situation of going for the lesser of two evils and her opposition was say... Jeb Bush.

Jeff,

I'm telling you that it is NOT about her being a woman and ALL about her being her. Period. God is neither female nor male and has nothing to do with my feelings pro or con about Hillary or any other candidate.

You're ultra liberal and Mitt Romney would be your second choice? Who is he anyway, because I really don't know. This is a guy who said he'd be farther to the left than Ted Kennedy when he was challenging Kennedy for U.S. Senate, and later on had some sort of revelation (ie. decided to run for president while remaining Republican) that he moved to the far right. What's up with that?

Mitt Romney reminds me of what is so wrong abour our plastic fake commercial culture. He is the embodiment of a smarmy CEO.

Steve, I agree with you about Hillary being more competent than Bill. I must be one of the only Democrats not in love with Bill Clinton. Never was, and like him less and less as I see him campaign for his wife.

God I'm such a judgemental little beeyach!! But I'm OK with that.
:-D

ms jill... you can say "bitch"

Jeff,

Now... what sort of rightous ultra left liberal get's lap dances? Isn't that sort of activity demeaning to women thus against every principle of a proper minded society? *roll's eyes*

Jill,

When Bill C. was a Yale punk hooched up at his beach house, my cousin was a party girl in the same circle. She has quite a few disturbing stories about old Willy and his antics... let's just say the gals avoided being alone with him.

SGT Steve...it is what the founding fathers, especialy old ben franklin would call "freedom of expression!!!" an artistic endevor preformed by women (and in some cases men if one is to THAT liking) protected by first amendment rights...as for demeaning toward women, hell no... it demeans me for going to a place like that and reaching into my pocket for something i can't even touch... (now we are getting WAY OFF track here) besides, i think bill clinton would like it too... just ask monica...bet she kept the red baret on too..

I always knew Joe was an Uncle Tom. He is the reason that Bush is in the White House. If he had not run, they would have allowed Gore to win. Now Joe is just trying to get points with the powers that be.

Heh... no need to defend yourself Jeff, I was just messing with you since you described yourself in such a manner. While in college I worked security at one of those sorts of clubs and came to the conclusion it is mutual exploitation. Even did a paper on the dynamics for psych class...

By the way... old Ben Franklin's antics make Hefner look like a prude.

I think Hillary Clinton would be our best choice,and then in a few years Obama.He will be more experienced in wisdom practice by then,I see him a bit young but thats good for the future when he is still young but not too old.Hillary Clinton seems like the right Choice for this Nation.He should be in no rush with time on his side,where as this Nation is in a state where an experienced person knowing the in`s and out`s need to make some major decisions,leaving gender and colour out of the equasion.Hillary Clinton has more experience ....This is no time to play oh what fun it would be to have a Black President,just because we never had one.He could take it with a landslide in 4 or 8 years.By then a foundation will be built for his Democratic dream by Hillary Clinton.Back to back with Barack,but for the sake of the people of the United States,Get an unwavering foothold.Learn.~Peace Glenna~

Glenna,

If I thought along those lines, then as a white woman of a certain age, I should be supporting Hillary Clinton. What is interesting is that women of my age and older (I'm 42) tend more toward disliking Clinton more than younger women do.

I'm supporting Obama, not because of his being black. I don't really have much personally in common with him. I wish we could all see beyond that stuff. Don't assume people who support Obama are doing so because he's black. That's crazy.

JILL K.:DID YOU MISS THE GENDER EXCUSE,IF BARACK WAS WHITE OPRAH WOULDN`T SPEND A DIME ON HIM.I AM THINKING OF THE BEST FOR THE NATION.~Peace Glenna~

Ms Jill K... 42 IS NOT OLD!!! UGH!!! i'm 44 and i think like i'm still a 28 year old running around, womanizing,and partying in eurpoe... it's truly amazing i own a mortagage,and hold a responsible job...with security clearance @ a high level...

I suspect the older women who are against Hillary merely recognize a self rightious tramp when they see one. :)

Far as gender and race is concerned, I can give a rat's behind. What matters is the person's integrity and ability to lead. Hate to say it but what this nation needs the most at the moment is either a Teddy Rooselvelt, a revolutionary idealist with a decisive nature to forcefully push America in the right direction or another Gerry Ford... an honest lug who will reestablish both the image of the president and get opposing factions in Congress working together after a period of division. Neither type of individual appears to be out there so I fully expect at least another four years of total indecision and lack of progress due to bipartisan angst.

It`s funny when someone gives their credentials they are called self rightous.And if you don`t say anything ,you get someone digging for dirt on you.I belive they are both trying to help.I would rather hear it from the Mares Mouth than a rumor.The senator will be more ready in a few years.So it`s good he is in the race.~Peace Glenna~

Jeff,

I said I am 42, which puts me roughly the same age as Obama who is 46.

Anyway, Jeff, don't let your own agism and lack of maturity get in the way of deciding upon candidates. And anyway, was Bill Clinton too young?? Definitely not mature enough, still not mature enough today, but actual age?? Did it bother you then, or was it OK because you happened to be in your 20s then?

I ask because Barack Obama is 46. Should he win the nomination, he will be 47 in November 2008. Bill Clinton was 46 when he was elected and took office.

I think it is appropriate to judge a candidate by experience and maturity. There are many arguments to be made that Obama doesn't have the experience. It's tough to argue against it, but I am so hungry for change that I want to elect a president who has a different viewpoint and can inspire. I believe Obama does that.

Back to "experience". Those who argue the loudest that we need an experienced candidate are saying Hillary Clinton is that candidate. I think not. If you wanted experience, Joe Biden, Bill Richardson, and even Chris Dodd would be better choices. Hillary was First Lady. And she has a few more years in the U.S. Senate than Obama. But when you count Obama's experience in Illinois, he has MORE experience than Hillary in legislating.

As to age, Jeff, maturity isn't a given with increased age. Likewise, lack of age does not mean lack of maturity.

steve LMFAO...can't belive you called her a "tramp"...that's funny...but if the shoe fits, oh well...

you are correct with a teddy roosevelt or a gerry ford type...historicaly speaking TR did come into office about 100 years ago, after a war and economic downturn, witha country looking for guidence in a new century...

Oooh, Steve, now you're crossing a line. No, definitely not anything to do with being a "tramp". Self-righteous, yeah, a little. I just think she is arrogant and out of touch. An elitist of the worst kind, because she does not even recognize that she is. Panderer, trying to be all things to all people. Hate that.

"Hillary" and "tramp" just do not belong in the same sentence, unless "tramp" is a description of her husband. Now there's a man whore if I ever did see one.

Steve, TR the domestic president, yes. TR the meddler in foreign countries, oh hell no! A president with the courage of GF to do what had to be done regardless of his own political fate, yes, yes, yes.
=:-P

Steve and jeff,I can`t belive you both have resorted to kindergarden name calling.What if I were to call one of the Women in your family a tramp!And as far as Historical Presidents they were all men and so far have brought us to the brink of extintion.Try to drink from a brook while walking in the woods.Breath too deep and get lungrot from the forien crude gasoline instead of hybrids.the food is full of contamenents.~Peace Glenna~

I used the term tramp because Hillary is your atypical political whore who changes her rhetoric to fit the audience she is speaking to rather than maintaining a defined message. She has no real platform and has zero loyalty to any of her supporters. They are merely tools to be convinced to vote for her than forgotten until the next campaign.

Sheesh... next time I use such a word I will clarify it better. You folks went right into the gutter! :)

Oh, and Glenna... some of the most militarily aggressive national leaders in history were female so please refrain from assuming women are less dangerous than men. Examples? Queen Elizabeth, Queen Victoria, PM(s) Maggie Thatcher, and Queen Isabel of Spain all come to mind.

jill k and steve...do i smell a good old fashion duel... say flint lock pistols and tomahawks at 10 paces... on the lower green in hew haven, say 5 o'clock...bring your stand in's and insurance cards too...

i certainly do not let age be a factor when i vote...nor sex, chit, my boss is a woman, and her right hand (my counter part) is also a woman, and yes, my mom is a woman... lets put 2 and 2 together...

hillary, at yale, same personality as today, in the 60's and 70's...yes, leaning towards tramp...

and just as men, women have pleanty of blood on their hands too...(Lady Mac Beth) cleopatra too... and helen of troy...all ahve blood on their hands... girls, try putting a little grand mairner in your morning coffee... your both sooo full of hate this early in the morning...

:-)

A duel in New Haven? Naw... we'd just find DeSteffano and I'd teach Jill how to throw a tomahawk and shoot properly (yes, I do shoot black powder and yes, I learned how to throw a hatchet.) Actually... in the old dueling edicate, the recipient of the challange was the one to set the terms. Wouldn't be very fair if say a master swordsman challanged a totally amateur fencer to crossing blades. Also... duels were rarely fatal or even carried out to conclusion, honor was usually satisfied by just appearing or in extreme cases, by the minor shedding of blood. A small nick on the hand was all it took for it to be called over. Anyway... back to the subject at hand.

very true steve...just showing up was generaly good enough...and benidict arnolds favorate choice was, you guessed it, pistols and tomahawks...he was such a nut case after that people generaly said to him, "we'll work around the duel, ok mr arnold?"

I'd be more apt to duel you, Jeff, than Steve. You are pretty dang sexist! :-P

(And I'm smart enough to not challenge a paratrooper, anyway, even if I wanted to!!!)

But since I'm a liberal and you are an ultraliberal, I'm guessing neither of us has a gun! :-D

.40 cal. 'astra' pistol and yes, i do have an Officer's sabre too...

jill, jill, jill, i am not sexist!!!...i just call the shots as i see them...

you must be a closet NY Yankees fan too...

Dictators and Tyrants are not flexible.She may change her talk (rhetoric)as issues come up for her audience,but guess what she works for her audience and if she won`t bend to what the People want then she is a dictator and tyrant.We don`t need a dictator to hold our hand,she is building faith in us.If she can`t listen to us and change as she learns new things,what are we going to do if the bottom drops out tomorrow.Commander and Chief,I know she has to be tough.Just listening to Steve and jeff makes me remember why I never married a man,name callers.At least John Caladrella isn`t a laten homosexual type.And jeff all you talk about is your gun.I have permission to kill someone that messes with me from the local police.They went thru it with me so your not going to intimidate me.~Peace Glenna~

Jeff, jeff, jeff, yes you are. Yours is an insidious sexism of the putting women on a pedastal type, and thinking that women are superior to men. That is some serious sexism, man! :-P

ouch...

no, no 'ouch'...maybe you two should be reduced to that of a muslum woman, dressed in a burka, no driving rights, mans permission to do anything outside of the house, and when you complain about things you get a government sponcered thrashing...that's sexisum...and abuse...nothing i'm part of or advocate either...and maybe women intimidate ME!!!

If you think "Women" intimadate you.Mabe thats what all men think...Do all Women intimidaete you,or is it because you are not one and could never possibly understand one so say nasty thing about Women....it is obvious you would rather say somthing nasty.jeff.Women that are held from blackmail,guiltrips,or manipulation,don`t say too much for the Man.He has to do all that to keep a Woman.If someone dosn`t want me I show them the grease on the hindges on the door,that swings boths way,in and out.Come and go.Don`t blame me for sitting in my presense.All a prisoner waits for is the oppourtunity to escape.I don`t know why the women in your life are paying off an old debt from someone else useing you as a emotional punching bag.I am not your run of the mill American girl.i don`t need to be catagorize as Women,we are not all the same.Most everyone here has heard me say I would rather makeout with a girl than a guy,reality says,I would rather be around gay men that don`t hate Women,I don`t hate men,I get a kick out of them,I just don`t find them atractive enough to invite them in my bedroom.Don`t jump to concliusions on this your outnumbered.Some men make me laugh especially when they peacock to find a girl.Gay men are Peacocked from the wonb to the tomb,I love it!Some of them hate Women,thats cool but they don`t need to bash women,like they don`t need to be bashed.I can talk to gay men and no way can I talk to strait men,they all fall at my drop dead gorgeous appearence,I can`t get thru.LOL~Peace Glenna~

i looked up the definition of 'sexist' in the dictionary, you know, with a hard cover, paper pages, and type written words... i'm not even close to that!!! and yes, i'll take a well educated, european woman over an equaly educated american woman whom thinks that the entire male race owes them 'something' any day...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

meeting you would be like meeting 'lady mac beth'...intreged, excited, and at the same time frightened and full of great trepidation...

i'm quite done now... can we up and move on, ms glenna???

Jeff,

Just for the record, I never accused you of being horrible or having hatred toward women, or anything other than simply being sexist in the purest definition of the word. You've got a little bit of that you're either revering women for goddesses, or you're kicking them off of the pedestal you put them on.

Just objectively, unemotionally, you could call yourself a feminist, totally "pro woman", girl power, rah rah rah, but if you actually believe that women are inherently superior, then you are being sexist toward women AND men.

It really is that simple with me.
:-)

OK, this threadjack has gone on long enough! Jeff, e-mail me if you want.

Why certianly ,Press the shift button when you start a new sentence after the period and watch the uppercase letter appear.You unintimadate me when you spell my name with a lower case letter,if you don`t mind.~Peace Glenna~

on e-mail, i've been taught that lower case lettering is speaking in a civil tone of voice, while upper case is YELLING!!! but 4 u Glenna, no problem...

Who the heck told you that.If you use uppercase letters on all the letters in the words it`s considered yelling to some,those without glasses better to read you my dear.I can`t hear you.but did you notice how I was trying to be decreect and your ego said I mentioned your name and I did not so as not to embarrass you.I figured scince you brought attention to yourself mentioning my name,acting like I was talking to you ,I would reply.your not useing your real name anyway so no one knows what you don`t know.Me I am willing to sacrifice embarrassment to show that all Women shouldn`t be put in the same basket.~Peace Glenna~

There is a huge differance between being sexist and being respectfull. Case in point... I opened the door once for a female NCO and the next thing I knew I was getting lectured by her for it. Heh... we were the same rank so I just sort of gave her that cocked head look pups do when you behave in an irrational manner to get their attention which sent her even more over the edge. My actions had zip to do with her gender and everything to do with the fact that she had an armfull of equipment and I was standing next to the door! It was plain commen courtesy. Of course, when the smoke cleared she felt a little silly for going off like that and apologized.

Anyway... back to the Joe and John mutual admiration society. McCain always struck me as way too impetuous and easily angered to be president but how much worse of a job could he do than the last two bozos we have had? Maybe we should see him and Richard Dean on a ticket together... the Anger Out party! Might not get much more accomplished than any of the other crop but at least the two of them would be entertaining to watch. :)

so much for a peace offering... and that is my real name...

Steve,

Is there anyone running that you like? Just curious. I agree with you about McCain being a hothead. I would ultimately feel comfortable with his competence and willingness to do what he thinks is right. I can't support someone that conservative, but I do have a great deal of respect for him.

steve/jill k

let's clone teddy roosevelt...we need him today...

GLENNA MACDONALD:

You are one confused racist, crazy lady. Sometimes you are black, then you are a KKK white woman, then you are a "native" AMerican. You need to make up your mind. If you are a "native" American, then why are you racist and speaking from a white racist point of view? I know, you are crazy and you think of all types of twisted thoughts.

Theodore Roosevelt:26th President,1901-09..Republican..1858. Born October 27th in New York city.1880. Graduated Hardvard University.Married Alice Hathaway lee on October 27th.1881-84. Served in New York state legistature.1884 .Wife died following birth of daughter,Alice,Mother died the same day.Droped out of politics and became a cattle rancher in Dakota Territory;(also wrote history).1886. Married Edith Kermit Carow on December 2nd.four son`s and a daughter would be born to the couple.1887-89.Lived as a sportsman and a gentlman.Scholar at Sagamore Hill,estate at Oyster Bay,NY.Continued carreer as historian.Most important work.The winning of the west,was published in four volumes 1889-96he would write a total of 40 books.1889.Appointed to civil Service Commision.1895 Became Police commisioner of New york city.1897. Appointed assistant secretary of the Navy by President William McKinly.1898After outbreak of spanish American war,organized First U.S. Volunteer Calvery (Rough Riders).As Colonel ,led charge up Kettle Hill in the battle of san Juan...in November elected governor of New York.;as such,sponsered tax reform,fought spoils system.1900. Elected Vice President.1901.On september 14th,sworn in as 26th president after the assination of president McKinley.1912.Left gop and ran for presidency on his new progressive("Bull Moose")ticket.Shot during campaign,but recovered.Lost election to Woodrow Wilson.1919.Died on January 6 at Sagamore Hill.~Peace Glenna~

gee, thanks for the Bio... i knew that...

Jill,

To be honest, none of the current crop jump out at me as being what we need. If the election was held tomorrow with all the current players in the running, I would probably vote for McCain despite my misgivings about his temperment simply because he has shown a willingness to put party loyalty aside in an attempt to get something accomplished and he hasn't been embroiled in any scandals. Speaking of which... why the heck is it so hard to find politicians who don't have skeletons in their closet? Think about it... Joe average citizen has at worst a speeding ticket in their life and maybe is guilty of taking the last piece of pie but for some reason we accept cheesey excuses for behavior we ourselves would never do. Whatever happened to the days when even a hint of scandal would end a campaign or term in office?

Well, I'm basically a Jane Q Public, but I've got skeletons. Nothing huge. Not even cocaine. But I smoked MJ and DID inhale. I have others. I'm not a bad person, but I've had youthful indiscretions, and truth be told I do think there is a sex tape that I never was able to get an ex to hand over, though even if he did and he'd wanted to, he could still have a copy. In terms of all of the scandals and skeletons people have, I'd say mine are pretty darn tame.

But I think that many people who want to be president are cut from a different mold. Whether they are just daring types, wanting to push the envelope... or maybe coming from a life of privilege, probably a combo of both for many candidates.

I hear you though, that there are really much bigger skeletons in many of the prominent politicians' closets. In all seriousness, yes, it was stupid of me now that I have hindsight to have allowed the videotape, but then again, it was a committed longterm relationship. I haven't done anything like the cheating and womanizing and sexually harassing of women that Bill Clinton did. I didn't have questionable land deals (Obama) and a fishy windfall on pork futures (Hillary).

Privilege, opportunity, an ego that seems requisite to even wanting to be president... recipe for scandal. I don't excuse it for them. But I do believe that's why it happens.

Steve, I don't think this is anything new. The old boys club that was the media kept JFK's philandering on the hush hush, just to name one example. Even society then wanted to ignore impropriety, they didn't want those things talked about. We are much different now, so the scandals come to light. Like you said, Ben Franklin would make Bill Clinton like downright prudish. Granted he wasn't a president, but he was a prominent figure, a "founding father". The old boys club either kept his secrets, and/or people just didn't want to know.

Anyway, I just want to see how the candidates who do have questionable skeletons handle it. Obama was completely forthcoming about his troubled youth and drug use. When he realized about the questionable land purchase to expand the lot size of his family home, he resolved that quickly. And there hasn't been anything else along those lines that has surfaced. Hillary just denies, denies, denies, because she is just perfect. Not.

jill...it's me... i have those tapes of you and i...check the web sight...kidding...

come to think of it, lots of political skeletons are not brought up by people from new england (not recient ones anyway) i seem to recall that most are brought up from "bible belters"...Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil...

i'd say it's cultural, the old southern aristocratic mentality (reigned in by North during the U.S. Civil War) is far more prevelant than up here in new england, not that we are all saints either, maybe just a little more "who cares" view of things...

i too have my sins, might even put french presidents to shame (and they have a very public laise-fare view on skeletons)

Justifyed,you have been Mercyfied,and are not Guilty,by the blood of Jesus,according to the Bible...Not a licence to continue,after we sin in seeps the living with it for the rest of your life.Drop the baggage and get new luggage.So to speak...Long ago many things were done,had they not been done we wouldn`t be where we are today.Are we better off,the way you look at it doesn`t help,reality seeps in,hitting the ut most optimistic.It seems to be the battle of a life time,to bring us from the brink of extintion from our enviornmetal situation which (supports life on the planet).First things first,this is not a popularity contest,this is the Presidentecy.More people would like to see the war end,McCain,wants to play war games at the cost of tax payers and what a price.When we look back we see Madaline Albright,I remember how at that time in my life i was busy raising my son,and when she would appear on the news,I would have to excuse myself and talk to God,because not a human bieng on the planet could withstand the most powerful roar of this Liger,cross between a lion and tiger.I couldn`t figure out where the heck they got her from and the mess she was making.But like Steve said,one thing and delete them,I am not like that,I keep haveing hope.God in me is the only one on Earth that has never failed me.This is why I am seriously thinking about the Green Party ,Libertariens next time around.Democrats spend your tax money like it grew on trees.The Republicans will watch the homeless starve in the streets after they make them homeless.And have everyone in the community have the same attitude."You shouldn`t be homeless"Really......For (all) have sinned and (fallen) short of the glory of God.This is why we need to get out the scale and weigh it out, not on personal level,nor with a gender or raceial favoriteism attitude.But with all the data/dna which way do (we)vote.Our vote changes the corse or we remain stagnint,and stagnint breeds the same detremental toxic situation we have now.We grow or go.We need to do major changes in our enviornment.We need to be responsible for the proliferation of Solar technology to harvest the daily energy from the sun,to Power this Nation.the spent fuel rods full of radiation from the Nucler power plants....What are we suppose to do with our stock pile of spent rods folks.?Is there intelligent life out there yet?~Peace Glenna~

Sure, just as many shenanigans were occuring in the past... JFK was a great example. Differance then was they had discretion and when thier failings became public, were quick to step out of the lime light. Again the example of JFK, how fondly would he have been thought of if he survived? His skeletons were just started to be exposed and most certainly would have been had he lived much longer.

Don't feel so bad about that video tape Jill, your not the only one. I'm willing to bet 90% or more of the couples out there have utilized their digital cameras in such a fashion because it's a safe form of exhibitionism as long as the person holding the evidence isn't a jerk... which sadly many are.

Far as myself... well... I can honestly say I never used narcotics outside of being administered morphine after zigging when I should of been zagging and discovering that I was not immortal. Do occasionally enjoy a dram of scotch (single malt please... either neat or with crushed ice as a mist) but it's been ages since I actually had enough alchohol to even get a buzz. Also have been on tape a time or two but hey, I covered that above and have zero guilt about it. Hmm... there was that skinny dipping incident after the Buffet concert last August but that garnered just a warning since the police didn't want to arrest a couple dozen people. *whistling and looking innocent* :)

All in all though... no real dirt on me to be found. Never stole, cheated, or otherwise found a loophole in the system. Heck... I even return excess change when the retailor makes an error in mathmatics. Somehow I doubt I would make a good politician though so no worries about all of that at any rate.

Anyway... after that bit of TMI, I do agree that there is a certain air of entitlement and "above the law" that all politicians seem to aquire. Even the good ones who start off honest and crusaders for their constituants fall prey to the seduction of lobbyists and such. Power corrupts and all that. No place is more evident of that than Congress. There should be term limits for those yahoos period. Two chances... that's it. No more homesteading.

Steve ,do you see your first question in your first paragraph?well this is what I maent when the popular one is doing somthing the Community thinks this is alright...This is why we must be an example in the homefront for the sake of our children or lose them to the notion that they should take what the polititions say as the truth as everything around them is crumbling to the sea.While there is a distraction act in Washington.Slight of hand,in plain sight...if you are speaking English consider your self hoaxed the English are famous for the big lie to get things done and call it a hoax,I call that a lie.Our leaders are not at fault they got caught up in the hoax,why do you think the Arabs think we are evil,they think we think the way we do because we are doing this deliberatly.Eorope laughs at us and can`t figure out how we were never warned.Listen to George Harrison sing while my guitar gently weeps.He died on my birhday 11-29 but in the lyrics it sings look at you all "I don`t know why no one told you they (bought) and (sold) you"while my guitar gently weeps.~Peace Glenna~

Glenna,

Europe itself has become a laugh... our Congress is infinately more effective and has quite a few less scandals than that morass in Brussles called the EU. While I can agree some nations have a system that works better for them (Sweden for example) the simple truth is that this republic we have here is still flawed but so far better than any other means of governing a society as diverse as our own. We just need to outlaw lobbyist campaign contributions and set term limits for Congress then perhaps we'll be back on track.

I checked your site Steve,I volenteered to parachute over Bagdad and reason things out with Sadam Hussain,that was when Clinton was in office,Sadam was stirring up trouble back then.All I would have needed was a bottle of Scotch and my Dad`s dagger from his Bagpipe uniform,in a sporan(fannypack)I am shure they would have taken me to their leader.He would have had the dagger and I wouldn`t have wasted a drop...so essentially you are saying,the forest`s are already echoing with laughter and someone built a sound barrier around my home.It`s not a laughing matter.Now that i think of it one day I was out shopping with my mother and she wanted to buy somthing for me and I wanted a little paratrooper with chute,I used to throw it of the deck and go rescue it.I miss those fun days.Barbie was wierd,or the girls that played with her were.~Peace Glenna~

steve...great sight..i'll have to look up my dad's uncle...

Steve,

I have no shame in what I did, just regret that it now exists, and it wasn't even particularly racy or anything, anyway. Sorry if *I* went TMI on you, LOL. I just wanted to make a point, that it is so easy to have skeletons. I really don't think one sex tape made when I was in a relationship with someone I thought was The One, and smoking pot maybe a dozen times is a huge deal. Nevertheless it would be "skeletons" if I ever became a public figure.

Not that I think I'm going to be a public figure, necessarily. :-)

your right jill k.....we really don't give a chit, but enter the public run for political office, wow, they'ed "hang" you like a witch in the late 1600's...

i never liked smoking anything, but beer and wine are my poisons, yum,yum :-)
...as for past relationships, wow...santa would have a tough time defining "naughty and nice" with me and past girl friends

odd, when running for public office, (which may or may not yet happen for us) our society wants people who are like mother teresa types, when we have only our selfs to select from... when you plant cabbages, you get cabbages...

Jeff,

I think they want their female candidates to be even more squeaky clean than men. More sexism but it is what it is.

I actually have no desire to run for office. But I've had some opportunities over the past year to spend long amounts of one-on-one time with a one of the top constitutional scholars at the conservative Heritage Foundation. (He spoke at my university, and I jumped at the chance to volunteer to drive him to the airport.)

We had a great discussion. And when we talked about my aspirations, to become a civil rights attorney, he said I had an understanding of law and government that most still haven't attained AFTER they graduate law school. He was floored that I hadn't even taken a proper law class as an undergrad. He said I'd be a formidable opponent in court! It was the highest complement I could get from someone like him with his views.

I also have an apptitude for politics, judging "horseflesh" with the candidates. For a mid-term exam in Fall 2006, I had to predict the outcome of the mid-term Congressional elections. This was a time when the wonks on TV said they thought there was no way the Democrats would win the Senate majority, and that the House Democrats would win many more seats than they did.

In that essay, I argued for the opposite. I called it exactly at 51-49 in the Senate, and I argued that there was no way, even in the then climate of anti-Republicanism, that despite the wonks saying the Dems would gain at least 40 or even 45 seats, I said it would about 30. They in fact gained 32. The exams were graded and returned before the election, and the professor said I was defying all of the conventional wisdom, but that I made sound arguments and gave well-developed arguments as to why it would happen as I predicted.

I also have two ideas for books. One I'm actually writing. I have no illusions that an uncredentialed person like me (I don't even have a political science degree... just haven taken a handful of classes in polisci) will have those books published any time soon. But if I'm on the path I think I am, it's a real possibility.

My aim isn't stardom of any kind. But so many are telling me that I have a gift for this and that I need to put myself out there. I shudder to think even when I have to apply and test for the bar. They ask "morality" questions. And if I did become prominent in the field I am pursuing, I still do worry about my "skeletons".

But I'm as sure as I can be that I'll never run for public office. That has never interested me.

it's good to have the ablity to "think laterly" in this age, it's easy to follow conventional thought, but to predict by going aginst the grain succesfully, commendable...

even if your figuers were wrong to the number, you successfuly predicted the trend...people can still 'loose' the battle, but win the war...and make history too... Pyrhus victories (steve, you must know/studied about this)

Jill K.+jeff,how did you miss my comment back when this started on me putting my bid in Independant.Gooooodmorning...Like I said all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God.Most people break the law daily and have no clue it`s against the law.This is why the police have that line"ignorance of the law is no excuse".Excuse me.Anyway this Nations Government was built on principals from the Bible,that is where the foundation for the Government steamed from,to protect Religion.Run all you want to for any office,no matter who you are or what you did.if Everyone ran for President after weighing everything out the one with the morals of how to conduct themselfs while inoffice would be the one to take the seat.The reason I am running is because of the way things are going.Every single time in my life I say I am going to do somthing,whatever my focus everyone runs to it eats it to the marrow of the bones and then turns back to me for new direction.I have been a Leader type scince I was a child.With all those qualities and being drop dead georgous my parents wouldn`t let me out much.So this is why I am not too famous.Also i have been kidnaped by my family because i am nice and they keep my in this house because ,well you all know how I talk!!lol.So the know i know and they can`t pull the wool over my eyes.So they do know what to do.As soon as I get my job,they wont be getting all this sympathy about their poor little sister in a wheelchair that they take care of.My Mother took care of me and showed me how to take care of myself back when I was 5.It is a dark situation and I want to make shure all people that are hurt are being well taken care of.Anyone other than myself that has had to go thru what I have would have killed themself by now.thank God i had Alanon the 12 step program that opened my eyes years ago to dysfuntion.had i not had that program,wo.Anyway.According to the Bible,the Jesus part everyone is forgiven.Why forgivness,because it is the most obvious remedy for Peace.The alternitive is holding a grudge resentment hate,and all this does is eat away the soul of the non forgiving person.There are Major sins that merit,bad consequences and your common scence would tell you,what that is.Your not suppose to bring yours or anyone elses sins to the surface,it is an insult to the crusifixion of Christ.Why all the suffering?Well all the suffering paid the pentlty for sin/crime ,back then death was the concequence and crisifixion happened to be the means og carring out the sentence,and so if Christ saved us by going for us and our sins then we know why they sing the songs of how he save the world that lay in sin.So your Pardoned.~Peace Glenna~

glenna, relax...put a little grand mairner in your coffee...we like you, and your wierd, off the wall prespectives on issues, prespectives we don't always see as you do...plezzzeeee

I don`t always see your way either jeff.So go tell the Dutch to put their fingers in the Dykes,because when the love begins to flow their will be nothing holding it back.Surrender to the love.~Peace Glenna~

Ms. Glenna...it's a "peace" offering...my third one...

I am relaxed,I put Stevia in my coffee,I am not wierd and you have been brain washed,because you were brain washed to begin with.Consider your brains washed out clean slated by the blood of Jesus."Love it or not"."Belive it or not"Peace to you and also with you two.I don`t know who we is you refer to when you kick me,but you always say we.~Peace Glenna~

Glenna,

I didn't miss your comment. I got it. Sorry I didn't respond.

You are so right, Glenna, the past is the past and it is what it is. If we've sinned, we need to find redemption for whatever that means to the individual. As you say, it is a divine insult to bring up the sins of another. But we sure do it in our society.

In the end, I don't feel that what I did was wrong so much as stupid. I don't even think MJ should be illegal, and I have no shame for what I did caught on an ex's videotape. But like I said, and you brought up, we DO as a society dredge up others' dirt. We just have to rise above it and handle it well.

Oh, and Glenna, you might not be famous, but you are a star, and you shine. I don't know what your personal hell of family dysfunction was and is, but I do know that to get through that and still have fire in the soul is an amazing thing. You've got it, girl! I do too!

Have a Merry Christmas, Glenna, and everyone here. I'm not sure if I'll have time to make it back into cyber world for a few days. And Merry December 25th to those who don't celebrate the Christmas holiday. (Stole that from jon smith on a different blog!)
:-)

rock on jill...BTW...i'd legalize all drugs...but if one chooses to use, don't ask for my tax money...except for re-hab...

I hope you get this Jill K.,I got your e-mail,it helps balance out the negative to get well wishes.So Merry Christmass back to you.John C. e-mailed me too,He`s real...accuser is another name for satan,so when someone is bringing up your so called flaws,thats (their definition) of you doing wrong.Tell ya what every time I try somthing i make a mistake,so I know that doesn`t work.don`t do that again,try another approace.you talking about that film says to me you won`t be doing that kind of acting anytime soon.Your Director/Produceser whold have been taken fishing If that was me and my dad was alive.I am glad you confessed that one for the sake of other so they know how you are paralized from embarrssment.His parents~Peace Glenna~

Hear Ye ,hear Ye,jeff e-mailed me.ms.Glenna...it`s a Peace offering,what else would you like,a sacrifice of a calf,seceede and afifedom to youmy first born.(youll have to wait til I find a uterus for that one)...:-).I call that e-mail a sneak attack,can you pick on Steve or Jon C.instead of an old lady in a wheelchair you really look like an a -hole in one. ~Peace Glenna~

what, pray tell, do i have to do??? for love or money, WHAT!!!

i worked for the best deputy warden in the entire dept of correction (british SAS, i think i was one of the few he told) ...he had a saying... "Be compassionate in Victory, and Gracious in defeate"

i am vanquished, and grateful...you are victorious, please be compasionate...

Anyway moving on to the blogg question...there he goes again...senator liberman endorsing ANOTHER REPUBLICAN!!! Senator Snowe from Maine!!!

jeff,what is your definition of a peace offering?I can`t figure out what you want.You need to correct yourself before you correct anyone else,unless your one of the control freaks of the world who go into that field so they have someone to kick..remember who drew first blood,on this blog.Go Rambo!~Peace Glenna~

we engage in verbal battle, i loose, i admit it, and yet you still do not accept my quarter...(women, some will have you question night and day)

the victor tends to dictate the terms of surrender...

I actually watched a debate with John McCain a couple of weeks ago, and he made a lot of sense, and I'm a Democrat!! Of course, I also voted for Joe Maturo.

I do think though that Joe Lieberman is a complete traitor to his party and his people. When you're a politician, you should pick your party and stick with it. He follows in the footsteps of Lowell Weicker - if you can't get your party's endorsement, stamp your feet like a child and create your own party or join the other party. You see where that got Connecticut - we've been stuck with a state income tax ever since Lowell Weicker; that big SOB liar!!

I like Joe Lieberman, but I feel strongly that George Bush's overriding legacy will be our next President regardless of who endorses whom. If John McCain does lose the Presidential election, he can thank Dubya for paving the way. God help us all.