Do You Like the Idea of School Uniforms?
Another city…another school uniform debate.
The New Britain School Board voted in favor of a school uniform policy Monday night. It applies to all schools that house kindergarten through eighth grade students. The difference with the New Britain policy is the school board is allowing each individual school, specifically the parents, to decide whether their child’s school will wear a uniform or not.
The policy states that two-thirds of parents must vote in favor of adopting the policy. Students would mostly likely wear monochromatic shirts, shorts, pants, or skirts.
Dr. Dorris Kurtz, New Britain’s Superintendent, said Monday night that while school uniforms do not improve a student’s academic performance, it does reduce competitiveness around clothing, provides a cheaper alternative for parents, and builds a sense of community.
Do you like the idea of a school uniform? Within reason, should a child be allowed to wear what he or she wants, or is it better when everyone basically looks the same?
Let the debating begin…
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Then last year my nephew lived with me and his school uniform policy just jumped into affect. Of course his mother could only afford 2 uniforms. I was doing laundry constantly as as soon as he got home he had to change out of his uniform using up 2 sets of clothes each day piling up more laundry for me to do. Then making sure it was all in order every morning. Then there were the days he left the tie on the bus. He also had to wear dress shoes so his Sunday shoes were tattered before October. More Money. I don't understand how that is considered a cheaper alternative. My gas, water and electricity bill doubled in that one month from all the laundry I was doing.
I think it's a parents job to make sure their child dresses appropriate. That starts with what a parent buys a child. A child dresses inappropriately because a parent allows it. We all get the handbook that states that middrifts, daisy dukes, colorful statements and offensive clothing are not allowed but it still walks out the front door. There will always be that conflict of better clothes as to who has money and who doesn't just by how crisp a uniform looks, how a child comes to school. A uniform doesn't hide much. Children can be cruel and they are taught by the best.
My son picks his own clothes every morning but I know what is in his closet. Walmart shoes jeans and shirts. One week he wore the same color shirt every day. Each had a different disney character. That was his choice of individuality. If he will just stop growing so fast they might make a school year.
While my kindergardener isn't too concerned
with who is wearing what, I wouldn't have
to fight with him every morning to decide
what shirt he wants to wear today - yes, some
kids start this young (although not all of
them). In addition, getting picked on starts
at an early age - I remember being picked on
as far back as 2nd grade because of something
I was wearing. As for affording it - most
of the districts were talking about clothes
you can find at Wal-Mart or Target. In
addition, I'm sure that the Salvation Army
and other second hand stores carry the items.
Maybe the community can hold a clothing drive or monetary drive for those who cannot
afford the clothes. The school district may even offer funding as well for those who cannot afford it either.
KP
is on a tight budget.But,in the long run
it's cheaper plan ahead if you can. I
know with all the higher UI,gas,etc.it's
not easy.
But,I do think it's better for the kids
to wear uniforms. Not necessarily do they
need to be in ties but,a pair of kahkis
and a polo I think is fine.
Personally,I don't think it should be up
to anyone to decide it should be the
school who says were changing the dress
code to be uniforms.
One reason why these kids today think
they can do whatever they want if
something doesn't go their way they'll
find some way to try and change it so
they get what they want.
Uniforms would be INSTEAD OF regular clothes, not in ADDITION TO...
I have two school-aged girls, and every fall we do the dreaded school-shopping.
I'm thinking a few khakis and logo-less shirts are going to be MUCH cheaper than what kids normally want to wear!
I wish District 4 would vote in uniforms!
They take children's minds off of who is dressed a certain way and it keeps their minds concentrated on school and not things. I am not aware of the goings on up in the New England sector of the state, in this case New Britain, but, but In what I would consider more urban places such as Bridgeport and New Haven, it should work better. I would also save parents a lot of money and put the kid's minds into thinking in a professional manor. When they dress like the streets in school, that is what they are thinking. It would also make them feel more important.
I am not sure of what type of town New Britain is, but it should not hurt and should be applied all over.
However, I have 2 reasons for not liking it. One is that people need to express their individuality. Children are people too and everyone is different and they need to accept that everyone is different, even with something so small and insignificant as clothing. Sure, some people can afford $100 sneakers, but others can't. I'd love an Armani suit, but can't afford it so I shop at Walmart. Sometimes you just have to deal with it. The world isn't always fair and kids need to learn that. They're going to be working someday and there isn't a soul out there in the business world who is going to protect them for the sake of not hurting their feelings or bruising their ego.
Second, and a purely selfish thing, is that one of my children is a "husky" size. It's very hard to find things that are comfortable for him and fit properly. A standard "uniform" pant is going to have to be significantly altered in order to be comfortable and fit him well. Therefore, instead of buying a pair of $10 Starter Athletic pants at Walmart, I'd have to purchase a more expensive pair of pants, then take them to a tailor (I can't sew - even my HS home ec teacher said I was hopeless). That adds up when you consider he'd at least have to have 2-3 pairs of pants.
"Regular" clothes are an option. A child's main function until 18 is to go to school. After 18, they can go to a college and dress however they like. In college, the students do not care about dressing up or worrying if someone's clothes are 'up to standards.
A polo shirt is something that regular people wear. A full suit uniform is what is needed. It does not make you pay attention to one's clothes and keeps you mind focused totally on school. I went to a Catholic school so I can tell you first hand that you do not have clothes on your mind, only school.
Your twisted thinking is why some people are better off making choices for the people. If it were up to you, drugs and murder would be legal.
Children can express themselves individually outside of school. We are talking school. If you are truly concerned about you children's education, you would not be concerned about them having the 'hottest gear.' School is for learning how to function in society(Not how to think!) and not for a fashion show.
When they're on their own, buying their own stuff, I couldn't care less what they wear VS what's "in".
And I can't speak for everyone, Laurie, but my kids already change out of their school clothes when they get home.. and go straight into T-shirts, shorts, sweats, or PJ bottoms etc. All of which can be (and usually is!) purchased at TJ Maxx or Marshalls for a few dollars.
I still say, purchasing uniforms AND after-school clothes would save me a fortune. And in case you're wondering, there's no Abercrombie or Hollister in my house!
I guess I'm old school. I've taught my girls that nobody is better than they are, and they aren't any better than anyone else. Kids are awful to each other, I'd smile to see the bullys wearing khakis and ties!
Notice I said PUBLIC - as in government
run, fully funded by our tax dollars.
How could anyone be in favor of the
government forcing children in these
United States to all wear the same thing day in, day out? This isn't Nazi Germany -
our kids aren't Hitler youth, they are
Americans and should be able to wear
what they want within the reasonability
of decorum. No legalize drug shirts, no
gang shirts, nothing with foul language
or obscene images, and nothing obscenely
revealing.
If a kid wants to wear a pair of jeans
and a t-shirt, WHY should the government
force them into wearing khaki's and polo
shirts? There is no reason, and its
un-Constitutional in our Public schools.
Look at what other governments force(d)
kids to where uniforms in PUBLIC school.
Do Hitler, Stalin, Castro, and Chavez
ring any bells?
My issue is with PUBLIC schools.
I'm Catholic, and have no problem with
kids wearing uniforms to PRIVATE Catholic
schools. There, it is a matter of them
teaching kids to look presentable.
The schools are private - and you
can maintain what you do and don't want
on your private property.
The government and school boards should
keep their dirty mits out of people's
personal choices. We're teaching our kids
that they have to all be the same. Dress
the same, think the same, be the same.
Heaven forbid some kid should want to be
independent and different..oh he must be
an anarchist because he thinks for himself and wears what he wants. Nobody thinks for themselves anymore - our government has
to raise kids for us too, now?
Sorry folks, the US is not a democracy.
Democracy in its purest form is Communism.
And now we have kids being taught not to
think for themselves, being taught to go
along and be the same, and now all dress
the same. Its Communism and it disgusts me.
now that I put my two cents in..
All of you in favor of uniforms are
not preparing these kids on "how to
function in society" (James). You're
not teaching them how to think for
themselves. You're not teaching them
whats appropriate and whats not, you're
just flat out controlling them.
What's going to happen when they enter
real society? They're out of school now,
no more uniforms in public. Now they're in the
real world and its not "kumbaya" or
"oh isn't self esteem great, we all
dress the same". The real world is work
your butt off, and make ends meet. The
real world is be YOURSELF and do things
to the BEST OF YOUR ABILITY. Not dumbing
yourself down to make other people feel
better about their deficiency. If you're
smart, if you work, you'll have money.
If you have money, you'll wear what you
want, drive what you want, and live where
you want. Or are we supposed to dumb
down and be good "comrades", and not hurt
anyone's feelings because I have a nice
car and nice clothes?
This vile liberal "feel good" mentality
is driving the Republic of the United
States of America into the ground. Its
getting so lame - soon it will be the People's
Commonwealth of the United States at the
rate we're going..
There used to be STRUCTURE and DISCIPLINE
in school - that died with the overall
degrading of our society. My parents and
grandparents never wore uniforms to school
and there was discipline. It was called the principles office or detention.
And when the kids parents heard about it,
they didn't get upset that the school
punished the kids, they wanted to know
what the kid did wrong and handed out
more punishment!
This is not about expressing anything, its about freedom and individuality in goverment
run, public places. It is no comparison, bringing up state/local employees, health codes, or even office dress codes. You have a choice where you work - and I know my office doesn't have a dress code; I don't know where
you work.
We do not live in a Democracy. Anyone
who went to school, should know the US
is a Represenative Republic. In Public,
the Constitution is the rule of law. In Private
you make the rules. Public schools,
are public (obviously) - if teachers DID
THEIR JOBS and TAUGHT the kids we wouldn't
be having this conversation. If PARENTS
DID THEIR JOBS and RAISED THEIR KIDS, we
wouldn't be having this conversation. It
should not be up to the school or government
to raise our kids, tell them how to dress,
and what to think.
Kids go to school to LEARN. Teachers should
TEACH. Making the kids dress the same
won't make them learn anything or get
their minds off clothes nor is it any kind
of discipline. Until parents and teachers
do their jobs, the kids will give back talk,
act up, and cause trouble no matter the
clothes on their backs.
dress code. The kids come to school
looking terrible. They wear really
short shorts and tank tops cut in half.
This is not proper attire for school.
They should be learning how to dress
appropriately for when they get out of
school. Shorts/skirts with your butt
out and shirts with your belly out do
not belong in the classroom. Also,
pants that hang way down below the
butt where your BVD's are showing is
also extremely inappropriate. It's
time someone started teaching our
children what is the right way to do
things, and how to dress.
A lot of people say that you'll take
away their individuality. Balogna!
There's nothing individual about it.
They all dress and look the same. I'm
tired of seeing young boys/men walking
around with their crotch down to their
knees and their underwear showing. I
can't believe their parents allow
them to leave the house looking like
this. Well if the parents can't teach
their children how to dress respectfully,
then I guess the school has to.
This uniform thing is a way of the system telling me how to parent. How to dress my child. It's usually the few that follow the rules that suffer. They are putting this uniform motion into business because other parents can't follow the rules and stick to a freaking dress code. And about your statement that children should be in suits in school... 1)you don't take into account that they are CHILDREN 2) I couldn't afford to put my son into a suit on Easter. You want me to put him in one every single day? My husbands job doesn't even require a suit. I nice shirt and jeans are acceptable and comfortable to work in.
I know my son would learn better if he was comfortable, not starched to the neck.
Hows is the system telling you how to be a parent by making your child dress appropriately? That makes no sense. Using your logic, the system is already telling you that you had better bring them to school and follow their rules. The system makes you wake up every morning to get them ready for school. I don't see you fighting that system, but you want to fight over foolishness.
I think that we have a case with you that you want your kids to stand out from others with their clothing and you would be pissed if such an experience showing off were suddenly gone. You make your kids look good after school is over. It is not a fashion show.
Get back to me when you have changed the way the system makes you bring your kids to school and obey that handbook!
Stop making excuses...
with uniforms for grades k-5 and IT IS
THE BEST! Next year the Middle School
will start. YES - it is much cheaper
than traditional school shopping. My
daughter's uniforms are from Old Navy
and the sale prices were 12.50 for the
pants and 8.00 for the shirts. If parents
are going to complain about those prices
they shouldn't have chosen to be parents
in the first place. As far as limiting
self expression - it gives an opportunity
for the children to impress their friends
with their MINDS - not their clothes.
It also makes field trip outings safer
as it is easier to identify the students.
The policy has been a complete success
and there is also a uniform closet for
out grown uniforms that parents who are
really strapped can go and get a set for
no cost. Here they wear blue pants, shorts,
skirts, jumpers and a white or light
blue collared shirt and a Navy cardigan
for the chilly months. The disiplinary
policy is good too - a letter home for
the first offense, no recess for the nexxt,
and an extended recess suspension for
further violations. If parents love their
kids, they will respect the uniform
policy and teach their children that
same respect. How about when these kids
are working age and have a job which
requires a uniform???? I am proud of
NL schools, kids, and faculty for being
a leader in this policy.
As for those who complain about the cost, well, Wal-Mart sells uniforms, and they're hardly expensive. As for additional "play clothes", if they're wearing uniforms for the better part of the day, 5 days a week, they don't really need all that many play clothes. Besides, in our society of consumptive consumerism, I'd hardly think that would matter to too many people anymore. Kids have too much now, anyway.
Please, please, bring uniforms to my district. I'd be one happy Mom...
That said, I have boys. My oldest loves khaki cargos and hoodies. My middle one wears athletic pants and tshirts, and my little one wears anything with Star Wars or Power Rangers on it. They don't dress in "what's hot"...I buy most of their stuff used at Goodwill or the Salvation Army and what's new comes from Walmart or sometimes we "splurge" and go to Target. They prefer comfort over anything else.
I guess my opinion is different because I don't have girls and never had to worry about tanks or short skirts.
And fortunately, the boys are not at the age yet where they're getting distracted by tanks and short skirts...LOL..ask me again in a few years when my oldest can't concentrate because of what the girl at the next desk is wearing!
Far as the naysayers who take the stance that uniforms would hinder a child's expression or somehow turn them into state controlled zombies... pfft... that is a load of donkey manure. Kids are creative by nature and have plenty of ways to express themselves as individuals.
In my kids' schools, they are not allowed to talk in the hallways or at lunchtime. Hmmm...mindless zombies...dressing alike, no talking to each other, structured play...sounds kinda like a zombie to me.
Your theory sounds great...
but I bet as soon as your kid got to school, she changed into whatever the heck she felt like wearing lol
You can say NOOOO not my daughter, and I'll just laugh at you lol
Kids are so concerned with clothing these days. Part of the problem is that kids think they should be allowed to do/wear what they wish. Kids are kids, not mini-adults. We, as adults, need to teach them how to function properly in society. Kids get a shock when they go to work and they can't say/wear what they want to.
Make uniforms mandatory from kindegarten through High School!!!
What to eat
What not to eat
What to say
What not to say
What to wear
By reading most of the above comments
it seems to me that our form of government
is not so popular after 200 years.
And everyone just takes it laying down.
The only problem I found, was the cost of the uniforms. There were only a hand full of places "authorized" to sell the uniform and they charged you an arm and a leg. If the school board is going to insist on uniforms (and they have every right to) then they need to find cost effective options for clothing manufacturers. it's just a pair of pants and a polo, how expensive does that have to be.
People want to complain about individuality and uniforms making everyone the same. To that: individuality comes from within. If your child needs expensive, clothes to be an individual then i suppose he/she probably doesn't have much to offer in the way of personality. We should be teaching our kids to judge each other on substance not labels.
The only problem I found, was the cost of the uniforms. There were only a hand full of places "authorized" to sell the uniform and they charged you an arm and a leg. If the school board is going to insist on uniforms (and they have every right to) then they need to find cost effective options for clothing manufacturers. it's just a pair of pants and a polo, how expensive does that have to be.
People want to complain about individuality and uniforms making everyone the same. To that i say: individuality comes from within. If your child needs expensive, clothes to be an individual then i suppose he/she probably doesn't have much to offer in the way of personal identity. We should be teaching our kids to stand on substance not labels.
for school-wear but forcing everyone to
either dress the same or have 'uniforms'
is ridiculous.
I work a lot of hours and if I had to
worry about uniforms for my kids, I would
be in even a worse predicament.
My kids pick out what they wear by themselves and they do a good job.
Maybe uniforms in college would be a good
idea, because that *might* teach those
useless 20-somethings some responsibility, but
beyond that, I don't think they have a place
in school.
Doesn't anyone remember Nazi Germany?
Dress code, yes!!!
Uniforms? NO WAY!
I am always amazed when I go to my sons school and see the girls with bared midriffs or pajama bottoms and slippers - did they think they were going to a slumber party when they woke up? His school does have a dress code (I checked the hand book) but obviously it is not being enforced.
I remember once having to have my mother bring me a shirt to school because the shoulder straps on the one I had on were less than an inch wide!
Germany is WAY OFF base! The parents
not for this policy are presenting a
bad example for their children by not
wishing to comply. Uniforms, as I said
before, have been a complete success
here in NL and have I have personally
seen a sense of community unfold before
my eyes. I also clothed my child for
about $100 for a complete wardrobe
including a pair of sneaks and Mary Janes
from Payless. It lessens the burden
that parents have to face each year
when school shopping approaches.
The fashion show is not for school, learing
is.... It all comes down to respect. If
folks are so concerned about what's
going on in their kids' schools, I
suggest they start showing up at the
monthly PTO meetings and GET INVOLVED!
The most important thing a parent can
do for their children is to support the
schools, not fight them.
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