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LAMONT/LIEB/SCHLES BLOG (Your input need)
Who do you think won the final debate (10/23) between Ned Lamont, Joe Lieberman and Alan Schlesinger and why?
This is the final time they will be seen together, your impressions count.
Let us know.
291 comments
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 17:15
Comment from: Glenna MacDonald [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 17:56
Comment from: Marcus Harun [Visitor]
Well, I didn’t see it yet, but I want to comment before, to see how my opinion changes.
Right now, I would vote for Ned Lamont. I think that we are in need of a change. Although, Joe may have done good things throughout the years, He has served enough. I think that Ned can help Connecticut with
what we need.
I do not think that Schlesinger has enough experience to be the senator for ct.
I agree with Ned that we should pull out troops out of Iraq. I see no need for us to be there. He also had good stances on the issues. Let’s see how my view changes after the debate. I will also report on this on my news show, and on my news site. You can also see it Mondays at 8pm on channel 27, I will report on this issue for next week.
Marcus Harun
www.marcusharun.com
10/23/06 @ 18:16
Comment from: evi [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 20:45
Comment from: Dave [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 20:51
Comment from: Carolina C. [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:00
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10/23/06 @ 21:03
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10/23/06 @ 21:04
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10/23/06 @ 21:04
Comment from: Sharoney [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:05
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10/23/06 @ 21:05
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10/23/06 @ 21:06
Comment from: Victor [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:06
Comment from: Francisco [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:07
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10/23/06 @ 21:07
Comment from: Thomas [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:08
Comment from: evi [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:08
Comment from: Erik [Visitor]
The funny thing was that after Lmaont gave his answer Mark Davis asked Lamont to answer the question to which Lamont did. But after Liebermen gave his answer Mark Davis didn't force Lieberman to back up his ads. Mark Davis, who runs this blog, has to answer why?
Lamont won the debate because you could see that he cares about change for CT and the US. Alan cares about moving the country further to the right of GWB. Lieberman cares about Lieberman getting re-elected.
[Note: Mark Davis does not 'run' this blog. For the most part I do, with the usual advice/guidance of management -- Jeff Bailey, Webguy]
10/23/06 @ 21:08
Comment from: PamB [Visitor]
Schlessinger distorted on HSA's, i.e. Medicare is not eligible for HSA, and they are strictly for the rich. They will Dis-incent the poor from using the cash that is meant to be used to the Deductible, for health care. His Strictly Republican ideas are the ones we are now trying to get rid of nationally ! GREED! Voting and thinking with one's wallet, not for help and consideration of those less fortunate.
The only one who had any credibility was Ned Lamont. Stop this Illegal invasion, use the $250 million dollars each day for Real Security of this country, education, health care, children, the poor, the elderly, etc.
10/23/06 @ 21:08
Comment from: Nancy Moore [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:08
Comment from: Zach [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:09
Comment from: Edward, Prince of Wales [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:10
Comment from: Brian [Visitor]
Joe Lieberman talks how he wants to solve problems, but he is the primary problem for this state.
Ned Lamont has solutions about eduction, medicare, and foreign policy. I recommend that anybody who is interested to learn about these ideas go to his website nedlamont.com.
Finally, Joe Lieberman showed why he doesn't desserve my vote because he talks out both sides of his mouth and will say/do anything to be elected. I don't condone the behavior of the rowdy audience, but they showed the frustrations that many Connecticutians have with Joe Lieberman. Time for change. Vote for Ned Lamont.
10/23/06 @ 21:10
Comment from: Mario [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:14
Comment from: Erik [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:15
Comment from: Matt [Visitor]
Ned Lamont has no lobbyist money in his campaign--he only has ideas, ideas to help Connecticut. Ned will be the next senator.
10/23/06 @ 21:15
Comment from: kathy [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:15
Comment from: Lee from Norwalk [Visitor]
That said, it's clear that Ned Lamont won this debate. Schlesinger was lively, but mostly goofy. Lieberman came off as way too arrogant.
I wasn't crazy about the questions, or even the tone Mark Davis took while asking his questions -- instead of "What is your plan for improving education" or something of substance, he asks "What percentage of these ads are true." What a lame question. Not even a quote from an ad -- just a general, stupid question. What a waste of time. And Davis sounded hostile -- what happened to impartial journalism? Or did he think he was writing an OpEd piece with his questions? I expected much more from him. Maybe it's time for him to find a different beat if he's getting so jaded over covering politics.
I hope there really are more debates. Last I read, all the candidates want more of them except for Lieberman. You'd think if Joe is so proud of his record, he want more of a chance to go on TV to talk about it.
10/23/06 @ 21:16
Comment from: Bob Rozza [Visitor]
HOWEVER, I don't know who was involved in that BS chanting singing whatever crap, but it will probably get painted as Ned supporters, thus making Ned look bad. Whether they were truely Ned supporters, or just anti- Joe, or dare I say, "plants" from Joe, it doesn't matter... it was a totally uncalled for, rude, and did nothing for the debate.
I also thought, Schleshinger's call for more debates was right on... and I was happy to see Ned applaud the idea. Joe looked a little bit unconfortable about it though
10/23/06 @ 21:16
Comment from: kathy [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:17
Comment from: Sharoney [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:17
Comment from: Joe Supporter [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:18
Comment from: jy [Visitor]
Alan Schlessinger was a strong second. He has ideas and facts and articulates them very well.
Lieberman just kept patting himself on the back talking about all the wonderful things he did. If he was so wonderful, why are we in the mess we're in?
10/23/06 @ 21:19
Comment from: joe supporter [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:20
Comment from: Ted [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:21
Comment from: evi [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:21
Comment from: Brian [Visitor]
I coudlnt' believe how disguting Joe Lieberman's comments were throughout the entre debate. People want to complain about a couple of people in the audience. How about a lying two faced senator who turns the first question into his opening statment. He is a desperate politican who will at all means break all rules for his own personal gain. Joe wants energy independence,but votes for the Bush energy bill. People wake up because Senator Lieberman is only for himself. If Lieberman wins I can tell you he has lost atleast 70% of his democratic base. The netroots and grassroots stood up for change at the primary and we will again.
10/23/06 @ 21:21
Comment from: Rob [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:22
Comment from: Brian [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:24
Comment from: Erik [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:24
Comment from: Melanie [Visitor]
NOT TRUE. Joe was the first to call for private social security accounts in 1996, and he was open to Bush's plan until his Party and the public made it clear that that brilliant idea was DOA.
private social security = oxymoron
10/23/06 @ 21:25
10/23/06 @ 21:25
Comment from: gary [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:26
Comment from: Jean [Visitor]
I agree that Ned Lamont won this debate hands down, he really showed that the people in CT are what matters most to him. GO NED GO!!
I did not see Lieberman offer anything new, but that does not surprise me.
I do think that Schlesinger added something to the debate but not enough to sway me from voting for Ned Lamont.
Go Ned Lamont!!
Jean
10/23/06 @ 21:27
Comment from: Erik [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:30
10/23/06 @ 21:31
Comment from: Mark [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:32
Comment from: Urban Pirate [Visitor]
Joe has stated his support for private accounts.
Joe inserted mandatory employer participation that killed the mid 90's universal health care plan.
Joe was for school vouchers (except during his run for prez)
Joe says whatever he has to in order to keep his cushy job.
Had Enough? Vote for a guy who cares and has enough money to not need to listen to special interests.
Vote Ned!
10/23/06 @ 21:33
Comment from: evi [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:33
Comment from: ifthethunderdontgetya [Visitor]
Did ANYONE understand Joe's staying-not staying the course answer with regard to Iraq?
10/23/06 @ 21:34
Comment from: LindyH [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:34
Comment from: votened [Visitor]
UPDATE: Evidently after the debate Lieberman walked up to Ned and said “You goddamn sonovabitch,” and something to the effect of “how dare you run those direct mail pieces accusing me of voting for the energy bill in 2005 because of campaign contributions from the oil companies.” Joe’s losing it.
10/23/06 @ 21:34
Comment from: Scott [Visitor]
By the way, the disruptors were Lyndon Larouche nuts, for those who are familiar with them, and it was Lamont staff who led the struggle to eject them.
10/23/06 @ 21:35
Comment from: Urban Pirate [Visitor]
His credibility should be nil by now.
www.vetojoe.com
10/23/06 @ 21:35
Comment from: bonnie [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:36
Comment from: Erik [Visitor]
http://www.fec.gov/finance/disclosure/imaging_info.shtml
According to the latest FEC filings, to date, Sen. Lieberman has spent $11,581,325.80. Mr. Lamont has spent $8,648,410.23. Details for Sen. Lieberman can be found at http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00235515 Details for Mr. Lamont can be found at http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00420117
Joe has spent more than Ned. Period. I used to think facts were like kryptonite to republicans but they are also like kryptonite to Joe Lieberman supporters.
10/23/06 @ 21:36
Comment from: Sha [Visitor]
From what I saw of the debate, Ned Lamont won and Lieberman looked desperate.
10/23/06 @ 21:37
Comment from: civicforum [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:37
Comment from: Kate [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:37
Comment from: PutangJill [Visitor]
I hope the press got this comment from LIEberman on tape, so it can be played over and over, so the great people of Connecticut see what
LIEberman is really about! LIEberman lost today even his buddy Karl Rove can't help him now.
10/23/06 @ 21:37
Comment from: Howard Appel [Visitor]
I think Lieberman made a major mistake in calling Lamont a liar without being able to immediately bring up one example, whereas Lamont responded that all he was doing was playing back what Lieberman had said.
Also, the discussion about Lieberman's editorial of last year and how everything was hunky-dory until the Golden Mosque was bombed just was not credible and the audience knew it.
Overall, I think that Lamont strengthened his position amongst Democrats and Independents while Schlesinger strengthened his amongst Republicans, resulting in a net loss for Lieberman.
10/23/06 @ 21:37
Comment from: Richard [Visitor]
Just another baseless allegation, just like the many others we've seen (remember they blamed Lamont's campaign for their own website incompetence)
10/23/06 @ 21:38
Comment from: Mr Blifil [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:39
Comment from: James Tangese [Visitor]
It's sad that those LaRouche people chose to act the way they did. To me, the interruption did nothing to my perception of any candidate.
10/23/06 @ 21:39
Comment from: SharonW [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:40
Comment from: ifthethunderdontgetya [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:40
Comment from: Chris [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:40
Comment from: Sha [Visitor]
This is a democracy. I want - no, I demand - an honest vote.
10/23/06 @ 21:40
Comment from: PamB [Visitor]
Joe's supporters show how truly naive, gullible, and easily swayed the American voter can be! Instead of researching the facts, they just take Joe's word for them.
YES , Joe flip-flopped on SS ! check it out. So what is Ned is rich, at least he does not owe his Votes now to Special Interests like Joe does! Joe supported Stay the Course, until he saw that Americans and CT voters did not want it! And how come Joe never answered what percentage of his ads were lies? Instead, just turned it around on Ned and attacked him! What a sorry, sorry excuse for a man!
10/23/06 @ 21:41
Comment from: Maureen [Visitor]
What a hypocrite Joe is to call Ned a liar - Joe's the one who made up the 'facts' that he misrepresents as a quote from the NY Times in his ad. I'd like to see Lamont sue Joe for that and for the false HACK claim!
I'd also like to find out who those hecklers really were. I can vouch that Ned DOES NOT condone such behavior. He always asks his supporters to not take the bait from Joe's paid thugs. If you doubt this - read the GQ article. Joe has people who deliberately disrupt Ned's events and provoke Ned supporters. When asked if he approves of this, his answer is "It's all part of politics."
If you read the article or meet Ned (Joe won't meet you unless you're a good photo), you'll find that Ned's the gent, even in the face of rudeness, and Joe's the bully.
Joe is full of Rovian tactics. I hope the people of CT recognize what a marvel we have in Ned. We shouldn't let this intelligent, honest man slip away from being our Senator.
10/23/06 @ 21:42
Comment from: Chris [Visitor]
Especially the one about gays in the millitary. What are we in the 90's or somthing. How are we still asking about that in DEBATES in 2006! Goodness!
10/23/06 @ 21:43
Comment from: John Chandley [Visitor]
the disruptions were dispicable and no candidate, of any party, should be subjected to that. Not Joe, not Ned, not Alan. I'm glad the Lamont people threw those nuts out, but the moderator should have stopped this until the disrupters were expelled, then allowed the candidates to continue with their full times.
10/23/06 @ 21:48
Comment from: Chris [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:49
Comment from: theodoric of brooklyn [Visitor]
There will be video posted of these LaRouche lunkheads that were singing to disrupt Ned and Lieberman, at
http ctbob dot blogspot dot com
Ned has too much class to spring this on the debate, but Lieberman's slush fund petty cash box is deep, when he releases the ledger will the LaRouchies be on it?
10/23/06 @ 21:50
Comment from: CT voter [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:50
Comment from: Hal [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:51
Comment from: LV [Visitor]
I wondered why did this pro-Lieberman panelist did not ask the senator if he was sticking 100% behind this statement made on December 2005 by the senator.
“We are there not just to defeat the terrorists – not even mostly to defeat the terrorists – we are there to provide the security for a self-government by the Iraqis where the creation of a modern, open, thriving state in this historic center of the Arab and Islamic worlds."
First he says we are there to defeat the terrorists. Then he says that we are there “not even mostly to defeat the terrorists”. How many voters in Connecticut think as the senator states that we went to war in Iraq not even mostly to defeat the terrorists.
Shame on this panelist who turned his questions into anti-Lamont statements with his sophomoric antics. Shame on him for not asking the senator if he stands behind his statement about why were are in Iraq - to keep Iraq secure and not to fight the terrorists.
The person who was singing or chanting was out of line. No one, not even Lieberman, deserves that kind of disrect. But with that said, panelists who are asking questions in a political debate should not show their partisanship either. This too is disrepectful to the democratic process.
10/23/06 @ 21:51
Comment from: Vahjiin [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:52
Comment from: CTMan [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:52
Comment from: Rick [Visitor]
Returning that big baby Joe Lieberman to the Senate would be a black eye for CT.
10/23/06 @ 21:53
Comment from: pago [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:53
Comment from: Bill R. [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:55
Comment from: PutangJill [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 21:56
Comment from: Rick [Visitor]
Ned Lamont is the only candidate in my 20 short years that I'm honored to say I support. He showed once again that he would make a superb senator that is interested in his constituents, not special interests.
10/23/06 @ 21:59
Comment from: Marc [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:03
Comment from: LV [Visitor]
“First of all, Joe Lieberman's a terrific fellow, and I'm a good friend. It's hard to say anything negative about him, but I do think it raises the question about Al Gore, why he chose Joe Lieberman, because their positions on some of the key issues in this campaign, Social Security reform, education, national defense -- Joe Lieberman's much closer to George Bush than he is to Al Gore and how he's going to finesse that or answer that I'm not exactly sure.”
“Well, as I said, on the fundamental issues of this campaign, Social Security, the privatization aspect of it, to allow individuals to set up private savings accounts, that is a position that Joe Lieberman and Governor Bush have taken.”
10/23/06 @ 22:03
Comment from: West [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:03
Comment from: Glenna MacDonald [Visitor]
~Peace Glenna~
10/23/06 @ 22:03
Comment from: PutangJill [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:05
Comment from: Nana-of-three [Visitor]
Lastly, the singer hecklers were all Larouche followers and they were in the lobby of the hall and outside when the people came out...Let's see how fast Loser Joe apologizes..I won't hold my breath!!
10/23/06 @ 22:06
Comment from: Silver [Visitor]
If he did in fact call Lamont a SOB then it is the duty of the newspeople to report that -- it flies int he face of his call for civility.
10/23/06 @ 22:09
Comment from: PutangJill [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:11
Comment from: HI [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:12
Comment from: Greg [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:15
Comment from: Andre [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:15
Comment from: angela oren [Visitor]
By the way, why didn't anybody ask Joe Lieberman to cite ONE example of the so-called lies and "negative campaigning" he keeps whining about. It seemed an obvious follow-up to his constant refrain.
10/23/06 @ 22:19
Comment from: Melanie [Visitor]
So I guess you think Kennedy shouldn't have been president, after all he was a millionaire. The only reason Lamont's money has become an issue in this race is because Lieberman has focused on it. It's silly. Joe's not exactly poor you know.
10/23/06 @ 22:22
Comment from: Rick The True Independent [Visitor]
1. With the debate in New London, why wasn't eminent domain the last question of the debate?
2. Ned came accross as passionate, but a tad bit angry at the panel. I would perfer if you would talk to the crowd and the camera instead of the panel. The war is THE major issue...If Ned can provide a solution, he win the election hands down. But he does not provide a solution.
3. Joe looked goofy...when other speakers were talking he was pruning himself and weaving as though he was listening to a song that no one else could hear. Joe's answers looked tired and worn out.
4. Alan came accross as a stand-up comedian, but also had some new ideas that may also be possible solutions. His defeatist attitude killed him from the opening round. Not to mention his stance on immigration...that issue doesn't play well in Connecticut. Alan has a political future...just not as Connecticut Senator.
5. This was a debate??? How pathetic! To me, there were no winners and all of Connecticut ends up the loser in the end. The choice is simple: Joe we know (good or bad) provides the safe vote. Ned provides the anti-war but nothing else plan. Alan provides the protest to the other two candidates vote. I went into the Garde not knowing who I will vote for and left feeling even worse. Yes...I'll pull the lever, but in the end I feel all of us end up being pulled even more.
10/23/06 @ 22:23
Comment from: Colette Flanagan [Visitor]
I love Alan S. He is a breath of fresh air. It is a sin that he is not out ther for CT to get to know him. If I had a million $s, I give it to him for his campaingn.
I'm voting for for Alan because he is the only one that makes sense.
10/23/06 @ 22:24
Comment from: suvro [Visitor]
In light of the small fragment that I saw, I thought the Republican candidate looked good, Lieberman looked bad (he lost his composure completely during the heckling), and Lamont looked somewhat tentative. As an ardent Lamont supporter, I felt he was a bit tentative - as if he knew this was his last chance to deliver the knockout punch and he was just unable to land that. Perhaps I am completely wrong - Lamont did that in the early part of the debate.
10/23/06 @ 22:34
Comment from: kate r [Visitor]
I'll read transcripts and try to keep an open mind though it would take a miracle for me to decide to vote for Mr. Lieberman again. He lost my vote when he blindly continued to support the war after it became clear there were no WMDs.
It was downhill from there and I can't remember a time I've agreed with him since he became a Bush man. (btw, thanks but no thanks for Alito, Mr. Lieberman.)
And the fact that Rove has been stumping for him (giving numerous speeches about how the Dems turned their back on the man) has only served to convince me Joe doesn't represent me.
10/23/06 @ 22:37
Comment from: George [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:38
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:42
Comment from: dave [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:45
Comment from: Chris M [Visitor]
You have one vote - You can Choose "Stay the Course and have thousands more killed" or "Use The Money Being Spent on the War to fix this counry".
You cannot do both....
10/23/06 @ 22:46
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:47
Comment from: Joe Blows [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:48
Comment from: fed-up voter [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:49
Comment from: Greg [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 22:53
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:00
Comment from: egregious [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:00
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:06
Comment from: Tim Wilkins [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:09
Comment from: joe supporter [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:10
10/23/06 @ 23:12
Comment from: Tim Wilkins [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:12
Comment from: joel Farrior [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:21
Comment from: Bo [Visitor]
Alan was good too, though.
10/23/06 @ 23:29
Comment from: Bo [Visitor]
Guess we know who you support.
10/23/06 @ 23:31
Comment from: ifthethunderdontgetya [Visitor]
Connecticut ranks 49th out of 50 with regards to the dollars they get back from Washington versus the dollars they send there. Iraq is a complete disaster, and there has been no accountability or oversight from Congress. Joe has been with the Republicans on this, and he needs to go.
And to top all this Joepocrisy off, he is the one running the dishonest, negative campaign.
10/23/06 @ 23:32
Comment from: Jim [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:35
Comment from: Judy [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:35
Comment from: Bo [Visitor]
Learn how to spell your hero's name right if you're going to vote for him.
Ass****. It's Lieberman. What a dips**t.
[Language edited by Webguy]
10/23/06 @ 23:40
Comment from: jon [Visitor]
10/23/06 @ 23:46
Comment from: Lara from Indian Neck [Visitor]
Go Alan!
10/23/06 @ 23:47
And it was Lieberman who went on to call Lamont a sonovabitch after the debate.
Nuff said.
10/23/06 @ 23:54
Comment from: Susan [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 00:01
Comment from: theodoric of brooklyn [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 00:10
Comment from: TeddySanFran [Visitor]
RGJoe's close was terrible, and blaming NED supporters for the LaRouche disruptors, when the NED supporters were getting them outta the hall, was less than classy.
Alan will bring the true GOP voters home to his line on the ballot. They have a real candidate now, and Alan showed them the way home tonight.
It's time to go, Joe.
10/24/06 @ 00:11
Comment from: chele [Visitor]
Joe has ridden his pity pot too long. Everyone was sick of it by the end of the first debate. I feel like sending his campaign some cheese to go with his whine.
Bravo to Ned for standing up when Joe called him a liar. Joe name-calls and whines, but he can't point to ONE untrue thing Lamont has said.
The laRouche supporters were probably paid out of Joe's petty cash. I hear Joe won't provide a list of where the money went. I guess they didn't take the names of the voters they bought.
Time to go, Joe.
10/24/06 @ 00:12
Comment from: chele [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 00:15
Comment from: Yuselesasz t'Itzonabul [Visitor]
1. Schlesinger was a standup comedian for most of the debate. May actually have serious things to say, but it's hard to tell so far.
2. Lieberman living in the past, way too much self-justification. "Re-elect me because you owe me." Didn't have any answer at all for breaking his promise not to serve more than three terms.
3. Lamont a bit rough here and there, not smooth or practiced in some of his responses. Vast improvement over the campaign. Ideas good, a little too much talking point repetition.
4. Lamont came across as more senatorial; Lieberman came across as a has-been just trying to limp over the finish line so he can replace Rumsfeld as SecDef and Jodi Rell can appoint Schlesinger as Senator.
10/24/06 @ 00:18
Comment from: Lew [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 00:19
Comment from: Mike [Visitor]
Lamont looked scared, his hands were shaking. Joe had his head down like he was already beaten. Except for the border thing Schlessinger answered well and came across the best. I wasnt voting for him before the debate, still not sure.
10/24/06 @ 00:19
Comment from: Frank Krasicki [Visitor]
When all of the country has started to realize that Iraq is unwinnable and that something else must be tried, Joe suggests escalation of the existing course. When he speaks of what's wrong with Washington, he fails to accept accountability. In pregnant silence, he tells us his ads are lies.
And when he speaks of doing his best for Connecticut, it is as if a village idiot could not go to Washington and get a $.66 return on every tax dollar paid.
Joe is correct when he says there's too much partisan bickering. Republicans should realize that voting for Lieberman to spite Democrats is a self-flagellating exercise. They should better exercise their vote as a matter of conscience instead of retribution.
This is an occasion in which voting for the gambler is less risky than voting for the carpetbagger.
10/24/06 @ 00:20
Comment from: WisePiper [Visitor]
If you're a Republican, the answer's a no-brainer.
But if you're a Connecticut Democrat who currently intends to vote for Joe, please consider the consequences of doing so.
A vote for Lieberman is a vote to place the party's agenda into the hands of a potential blackmailer.
Under the BEST case scenario the Democrats will gain majority control of the Senate with 51 vs 49 seats.
That 51st seat will be held by Lamont or Lieberman.
If Lieberman is the victor we can forget about:
Health care reform.
Checking the expansion of excutive power.
Blocking the confirmation of right wing judges.
Changing course in our foreign policy.
Conducting meaningful oversight hearings.
Every action or legislation contemplated by the party will be held hostage to the personal ideology of Joe Lieberman. Why? Because if Joe don't like it, he simply walks across the aisle. Bye bye committee chairs. Bye bye majority control. Bye bye progressive legislation. Joe doesn't even have to articulate the threat. The Democratic party will KNOW what's at stake, and they won't risk a return to minority status. This is why the Republican party is so supportive of Lieberman.
Recent polling shows that 35% of the Democrats in Connecticut currently intend to vote for Lieberman. Undoubtedly these voters think the election is about one Democrat versus another. In reality, it's about a Democrat versus an Opportunist. Ask yourself, do you want to give Joe the opportunity to ensure that nothing changes for the next two years?
The senate race in Connecticut is the single most important contest on November 7. Please vote responsibly.
10/24/06 @ 00:22
Comment from: Lew [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 00:26
Try teasing out the audio from Lieberman's mic and see what you find!
10/24/06 @ 00:32
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10/24/06 @ 00:39
Comment from: Deborah [Visitor]
Ned Lamont was the clear winner of this debate.
Ned Lamont answered the questions clearly, honestly, and with intelligence.
I'm also very glad Ned Lamont strongly defended the truthfulness of his ads that use Mr. Lieberman's own words to expose Mr. Lieberman's wavering and changing positions on the invasion and occupation of Iraq, on Social Security, and on other important issues. I'm tired of Mr. Bush's and Mr. Lieberman's distortions, my "bi-partisan" opinion.
It seems to me that Ned Lamont will bring reality and real checks and balances back into our democracy. He'll be a great Senator.
10/24/06 @ 00:43
Comment from: InsultComicDog [Visitor]
I do not trust Joe Lieberman not to caucus with the Republicans should he win.
10/24/06 @ 00:44
Comment from: Barry [Visitor]
I am generally sick of politics as usual, and as an Independent, I'm seriously leaning towards Lamont: his message was the most heartfelt, and he seems much more honest than the other two.
I like Ned's anti-war stance, but it's more than that - I strongly dislike Lieberman for piling on with Frist in the Schiavo case. That was a gross invasion of the family's privacy, and Lieberman's support of the religious fundamentalist's attempt to hijack our personal freedoms was very disturbing. It was un-American, and that more than anything shocked me.
10/24/06 @ 00:45
Comment from: drowsy [Visitor]
Please remember that only ad with actual slander in it, is Lieberman's 'layoff/salary' TV ad. You yourself reported on the exchange about that ad after the Stamford primary. You did not raise any questions about the accuracy of that ad. In fact, that ad does not contain any facts from the article it cites.
Please do your best to even this up by looking into that TV ad and the NYT article cited.
10/24/06 @ 00:51
10/24/06 @ 00:55
Comment from: Barry [Visitor]
I was surprised when this was not brought up in the debate or follow up.
10/24/06 @ 00:56
10/24/06 @ 00:56
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10/24/06 @ 00:59
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10/24/06 @ 01:23
Comment from: Jeff [Visitor]
Regarding campaign spending: a Hartford Courant article on Oct 14 put Lamont spending at $10 million and Lieberman at $14.8 million (you can find the article by searching "Lamont Lieberman Campaign Spending" and following the link to the Courant.
In this debate, Erik wins by a wide margin.
10/24/06 @ 01:27
Comment from: tom smith [Visitor]
I am a disabled Vietnam Veteran and if this citizentry wants to send our good men and women into a debacle like Iraq they should get off their lazy asses and vote for change.
Hoa Binh
10/24/06 @ 01:27
Comment from: AL [Visitor]
LIEBERMAN SLUSH FUND COMPRISED ONE OUT OF EVERY 12 DOLLARS SPENT: Lieberman’s massive slush fund comprised almost 8 percent of all of his expenditures in the reporting period. That’s almost one out of every $12 that Lieberman is effectively hiding.
LIEBERMAN FUNNELED OUT $32,000 A DAY IN UNACCOUNTED CASH: Lieberman’s campaign disbursed $387,000 in unmarked “petty cash” in just 12 days. That’s $32,000 every single day, with no accounting at all for how it was spent.
10/24/06 @ 01:28
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10/24/06 @ 01:29
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10/24/06 @ 01:29
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10/24/06 @ 01:31
Comment from: Elaine [Visitor]
While you listen to the lies and excuses, remember Lieberman has American and Iraqi blood on his hands, our children's blood. So much for his morals, values, protecting our children. He wants war when we do not. Plain and simple. He does not agree and will not vote to end the war, plain and simple. Lieberman seems not to care that War is the basis for Bush's abuse of power in many other areas of government.
Tonight his hecklers were young men, young men who do not want to die in a war brought for no good reason. They are rightly angry at Lieberman, it is their age group, young men, who are most affected by war, who risk a draft with these warmongers like Lieberman, in office. Who knows where they will want to invade next. Will your children be drafted for this madness? Will mine?
Iraq is simply too big of a problem to be ignored and Liberman's past actions, not his empty words, our guide. We know that Bush is not getting out of Iraq. He told the nation it would be up to the next President to clean up the mess. We know Lieberman supports Bush and the Iraq War. We know that Lieberman is not getting out of Iraq and that he does not challange Bush or Cheney.
The money the Iraq war consumes, the lives it chews up, the damage it does to our reputation and our values make Iraq the single biggest problem facing the United States Voters today. Voters do not agree with the war and it is up to them to stop it. I will do my part, will you? Lieberman must be stopped for Peace.
This election is not about experience, its about bad decisions. Lieberman should be ashamed of his votes for war, torture, spying and his lack of oversight over rampant corruption, incompetence and lies of the Republicans in control of government. Just two weeks ago, Lieberman gave Bush, a president who tortures, wars, detains, spys, for no reason, hides prisoners all over the world, denies all rights, spys on its own citizens, gives huge contracts to its friends, protects lobbyists for oil and big business, even more power. Lieberman stands with Bush and war. No other issue is more important than life and death, war and peace.
This November we voters have a great power and a great responsibility to stop the Iraq War with our votes. We can tell the world with our votes that America will not operate like this in the future. We can stop Lieberman, despite his incumbent lobbyist machine. Voters all over our country are ready to fire their incumbents to end the Iraq War. I urge Connecticut voters to join the rest of Americans who will tell their failed leaders like Lieberman that the time has come for them to pay for their mistakes. November 7 can't come soon enough for our children over there who are dying every day, for the Iraqis who now have a war torn country thanks to Bush, Lieberman. I will not have American and Iraqi blood on my hands. I will vote to save our children and our military from further harm. I will vote for Ned Lamont for peace.
10/24/06 @ 01:33
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10/24/06 @ 01:37
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10/24/06 @ 01:38
Comment from: Ken [Visitor]
Joe had no problem calling Ned a liar with regard to his commercials, which only point out Lieberman's record and very own words, yet no mention was made of the many ads that Joe has produced that have been proven to be outright lies. The difference between the two candidates is that Ned had the decorum not to sink to Joe's level.
I am very disappointed, as usual, with Mark Davis' handling of the situation. It has appeared since the beginning that Mr. Davis has a strong bias in favor of Joe Lieberman. Many of his questions to Joe are soft and tailored to his positions, while in sharp contrast to the questions given to Ned, which appear to be attempts to show Ned in a negative light.
With regard to the hecklers, I was there at the debate and watched the whole incident unfold just a few rows to my left. These hecklers, as Channel 8 has already noted, had nothing to do with any of the three candidates, rather they are from a PAC for Lyndon LaRouche, Jr. This group has been doing this for many years during numerous campaigns.
So, I would suggest to those of you who are so eager to point fingers, Mr. Lieberman included, that not everything is as it seems. In fact, it was a Lamont staffer who assisted in the removal of these individuals, as the security at the debate hall was not up to the task. At this point I believe Mr. Lieberman will do whatever it takes to keep his seat in the U.S. Senate.
As Mr. Schlesinger has stated, “Don’t listen to Joe’s rhetoric, look at his voting record”.
10/24/06 @ 01:44
Comment from: John Powalski [Visitor]
I think the ultimate irony in this campaign is Lieberman's "lightbulb" ads. Leave it to Lieberman to use a horribly inefficient incandescent lightbulb in his centerpiece ads, and then accuse his opponent of not having any new ideas. Lieberman is rotten and hypocritical to the core. Sadly, Lamont is right - we need new leadership in Washington.
Lamont's getting my vote - he's sealed the deal.
10/24/06 @ 01:55
Comment from: Lisa B [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 01:59
Comment from: Nancy H [Visitor]
The entourage that Lamont brought to sabotage the Senator's responses tonight was despicable. Once again, it reiterates the type of person that Lamont is and the type of administration that they will bring. My vote is and still stands for Senator Lieberman
10/23/06 @ 21:00
I have only one question for you Caroline C.: How do you know that Lamont had anything to do with those hecklers? It's my understanding that it's Lamont's people who finally ushered them out of the hall. I guess you must think Lamont orchestrated that because the good Senator said so. (It's disgusting how gullible some of you can be.)
P.S. Lamont won through the sheer integrity of his behavior and his answers.
10/24/06 @ 02:01
Comment from: Ben Lowenstein [Visitor]
This is what you need to keep in mind on November 7th. Yes, Virginia, it's time for a change in our senate representation.
10/24/06 @ 02:04
Comment from: Bo [Visitor]
The f'n entourage was Larouche supporters. If anyone, they're paid by Lieberman.
Stop with the nonsense, you paid RNC shill
10/24/06 @ 03:08
Comment from: Bentley Stanforth III [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 03:19
Comment from: Bentley Stanforth III [Visitor]
A fairly juvenile effort from Mr Davis in my opinion.
10/24/06 @ 03:22
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10/24/06 @ 03:48
Comment from: Ryan [Visitor]
Objectivity. Look it up. You seem to have missed that part of your journalism classes.
10/24/06 @ 03:48
Comment from: Tom [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 04:01
Comment from: Steven [Visitor]
Lieberman is a smug, arrogant sort of gasbag who's on the wrong side of crucial issues too much of time.
10/24/06 @ 04:04
Comment from: G [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 04:29
Comment from: Veronica Gendon [Visitor]
Seriously, does anybody think Lieberman's 18 years in politics makes him better for CT? He's beholden to big money, big business, all his lobbyist buddies, and most of all, Joe's Boyfriend-in-Chief, George W. Bush.
Lieberman is raising all kinds of Republican money from Republican donors with the help of Republican operatives. He's not a Democrat. After living in DC for 18 years, he's barely a Connecticutian!
Lieberman is playing both sides against each other for his own benefit. Lieberman represents politics as usual -- and can we afford any more of that?
10/24/06 @ 06:31
Comment from: Kate Scott [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 06:54
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10/24/06 @ 07:11
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10/24/06 @ 07:16
Comment from: Sue [Visitor]
This debate proved that Joe is a one-trick pony.
10/24/06 @ 07:20
Comment from: Martin Schmidt [Visitor]
I would just like to say thank you to the heckler in the crowd last night. He helped me make a tough decision. When Lamont sat there and did nothing while this was going on, and seemed to be gloating. That made my decision easy. It is Joe all the way. He says somehting. And it was proven right there. Ned says NOTHING about anything. OH YAH! He says what is wrong, but nothing of how he will fix it.
But he does say I will bring the troops home right away. We have troops that are VOLUNTEERING 3 and 4 times to go back cause they see how important this is. Wouldn't you help your neighbor who wants to be FREE and live in freedom. Our troops do just that. God bless them for their sacrifice. They will make the difference. Not the politician.
When we have another 9/11, the same people finding fault now, will be the ones that will say "Why didn't we do anything". And it will happen again. By backing out it just shows we are weak. And makes the terrorists fight harder. Sure is happening now. Isn't it?
10/24/06 @ 08:09
10/24/06 @ 08:15
Comment from: Kevin Hayden [Visitor]
Ned won the debate. But Connecticut will go with one of the lamest Senators I've seen in my 53 years because its war profiteer economy depends on sucking on the military udder, and Joe will always be dependably pro-war.
10/24/06 @ 08:22
Comment from: GPR [Visitor]
Good observation of Ned Lamont, it is my opinion as well that he was responsible for the heckling... Is he the kind of person we want in Washington?
Yeh right, they will eat him up alive; Mr. big shot business man...
Whether anyone realizes it or not, we are seeing it first hand, Ned Lamont is a spoon fed spoiled brat with serious behavioral issues. The old saying is "You see what you get" and take that to the bank.
And what the hell was the purpose of George Stephanopoulos. He did nothing as a moderator... What a waste he was serving in that capacity!!
You SUCK George...
Joe L. is the man for the job..
You won't lose by voting for Joe.. especially this time around!!
10/24/06 @ 08:53
Comment from: Betty [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 09:13
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
All I get in the mail are postcards LARGE ONES, that say the FIREFIGHTERS OF AMERICA ARE BEHIND JOE
and there's these firefighters pictured from somewhere BUT THEY ARE NOT FROM CT!!!!!!!!!!!
So, just who does Joe represent??????
Someone said troops are dying to get back to Iraq, yeah right???
WHAT ABOUT BIN LADEN???????????
IRAQ WAS A DISTRACTION
A PERSONAL VENDETTA BY THE PRESIDENT THAT TOOK US AWAY FROM OUR MISSION OF GETTING THOSE RESPONSIBLE FOR 9/11, IT IS AN ILLEGAL WAR
AND WE OWN IT CUZ EVERY INCUMBANT JERK LIKE JOE VOTED TO INVADE WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED THE BOY FUHRER THEN
NOW WE ARE TRILLIONS IN THE HOLE
NO ONE, ESPECIALLY IRAN AND N KOREA FEARS US
BECAUSE WE SUFFER BAD MANAGEMENT AND BAD LEADERSHIP
IT IS TIME FOR CHANGE
ALL INCUMBANTS MUST GO
AND IF WE DO NOT GET SOCIAL SECURITY SECURED, OUR BORDERS SECURED, OUR TROOPS HOME AND BACK ON THE HUNT FOR BINLADEN,PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS CONTROLLED, AND OTHER IMPORTANT ISSUES WE
MUST VOTE THOSE INCUMBANTS OUT AS WELL
WAKE THE FRIG UP AMERICA
10/24/06 @ 09:17
Comment from: mui [Visitor]
Ned won hands down. He was the only candidate that had a sane answer about Iran. Apparently Lieberman and Schlesinger think its o.k. to do an "Iraq" on a country that has made pacts with China and Russia. That is not only scary but crazy of Lieberman and proves that he's truly bought the neocon line.
Schlesinger is a good performer but in terms of substance, he really lost our multi-background audience when he started all but saying that "Mexicans" were a threat to our national security.
Ned won. Hands down.
10/24/06 @ 09:26
Comment from: Chris [Visitor]
Panic in the JOE camp has set in!
10/24/06 @ 09:27
Comment from: Frank [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 09:29
Comment from: Paul P [Visitor]
On the other hand, I can respect Joe's "rational democrat" perspective. The right answer to Iraq is somewhere between immediated withdrawl and stay the course. Joe's true position is in this middle ground, no matter what Ned's strategists tell him to say.
Ned Lamont is an embarrassment. Equally embarrassing are all the people who follow him and are instructed to be loud, obnixious cheerleaders. Its 100% style over substance. Except not very much style!
10/24/06 @ 09:34
Comment from: Paul P [Visitor]
On the other hand, I can respect Joe's "rational democrat" perspective. The right answer to Iraq is somewhere between immediated withdrawl and stay the course. Joe's true position is in this middle ground, no matter what Ned's strategists tell him to say.
Ned Lamont is an embarrassment. Equally embarrassing are all the people who follow him and are instructed to be loud, obnixious cheerleaders. Its 100% style over substance. Except not very good style!
10/24/06 @ 09:35
Comment from: Tony [Visitor]
But I have a bone to pick with Mark Davis and Channel 8. Why is Mark Davis ASKING whether the polticial ads of each candidate are true? He's a NEWS REPORTER. He should do the research and REPORT THE FACTS!
A candidate can claim just about anything, but it's Davis's job to help voters learn the truth.
If newspapers and TV stations took the time to fact-check the claims in campaign ads, reported the lies, and expressed outrage at any false claims, there would be less of them.
So, Mark Davis, you tell us. What's true? What isn't?
10/24/06 @ 09:38
Comment from: Tony [Visitor]
But I have a bone to pick with Mark Davis and Channel 8. Why is Mark Davis ASKING whether the polticial ads of each candidate are true? He's a NEWS REPORTER. He should do the research and REPORT THE FACTS!
A candidate can claim just about anything, but it's Davis's job to help voters learn the truth.
If newspapers and TV stations took the time to fact-check the claims in campaign ads, reported the lies, and expressed outrage at any false claims, there would be less of them.
So, Mark Davis, you tell us. What's true? What isn't?
10/24/06 @ 09:38
Comment from: Matt Favreau [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 09:42
Comment from: BTC [Visitor]
That said, I'll be voting for Lamont. I just feel that George W. Bush is such a bad President that we need both houses of Congress to put checks on his recklessness. So, I'm voting for the party and not the man.
Still, I think the National Republican Committee has done a good man a serious disservice.
10/24/06 @ 09:43
Comment from: Jean [Visitor]
I agree with you!
Who does Joe represent, himself of course.
Joe had 18 years to prove to the people of CT that we matter, the world matters, the troops matter hell anything other than himself matters...but when the day ends all that matters to Joe, is Joe.
I can assure you being a family member of a Marine, that no way in hell do people want to rush back to Iraq to fight a war that was based on nothing but bs and lies.
As you nicely put it Robin Hood, the Iraq war was nothing but a distraction from the real issues.. Bin Laden and his terrorist friends.
It is time for change, it's time for Joe to go!!!
I might be a Republican, but as I have said so often on other posts, my vote is going to Ned Lamont.
REPUBLICANS FOR CHANGE!!!!!
10/24/06 @ 09:44
Comment from: Kimberly [Visitor]
What I'd like to know is this: if Joe has great disdain for his fellow Dems criticizing the war and Republican motives, then why does he not also criticize the President and his followers for openly calling Dems "defeatocrats" "cut and runners" and "terrorist sympathizers"?
A final note - while I feel Lamont scored highest in sheer information and getting to the heart of the issues, Al was great as a Republican candidate with a heart and soul. If I were a Republcan, I'd vote for that guy over Joe and not because of the Democrat control issue. I liked the guy and what he had to say, and I think it is a damnable shame that the GOP cut the guy off so that they could back Joe. They literally threw him under the bus, but what a great come-from-behind story Al is. He puts Lieberman to shame, I'm afraid.
10/24/06 @ 09:48
Comment from: John Nolanj [Visitor]
Ok, who do I think won? Ned Lamont did. He gave 'straight from the hip' answers to the questions. He was absolutely on target with all the problems that Connecticut and the rest of the country faces. It's about time we have a candidate that appears not to be afraid of the 'bulls in government.' By that I mean there are too many politicians whose coffers are being filled by lobbyists. As an enterpreneur I know how hard it is to get health insurance. Ned touched on that very well. We need a senator that is not afraid to tell it like it is. I believe Ned in his answers. His body language also speaks for itself.
Ned won this debate not only hands down, but feet up too.
I don't know if my URL could be used here. If it can it is:
www.shaklee.net/newengland
Thanks again and have a great day
10/24/06 @ 09:52
Comment from: Bethany P. [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 09:54
Comment from: Kimberly [Visitor]
It's been reported that they were from a Lyndon LaRouch group and Lamont's staff were the guys who finally got them thrown out.
Anyone here think Lieberman's camp will thank Lamont's staff for helping out on that one? I'm figuring it will come around the same time as the apology for accusing Lamont's staff for clogging Lieberman's internet site during the Primaries. (Turns out Lieberman got a cheap site and it couldn't handle the traffic, but far be it Lieberman should issue an apology to Lamont for the slur).
10/24/06 @ 10:00
Comment from: Paul McMann [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 10:08
Comment from: Jean [Visitor]
Kimberly I highly doubt that Lieberman's camp or Lieberman himself would thank Lamont's staff for the help with the hecklers.
That would take effort on Joe's part, something he does not seem to give much of unless it involves his own gain.
Personally I think Joe needs to apologize for his little vulgar outburst to Ned, of course he won't because Joe feels he is above everyone else.
10/24/06 @ 10:10
Comment from: Joan (visitor) [Visitor]
Aside from this election, I think those running hit us to soon and to long before an election. Save money and give to those who need it and only run ads for two weeks prior. Most people have made up their minds long before, and if not, do so in the last couple of weeks, so why waste so much money and HOUND us so violently. I find it offensive. It truly is a "turn off".
10/24/06 @ 10:18
Comment from: nano [Visitor]
And why are the only people posting for Lieberman paid staff from out of state?
One wonders if the Lieberman campaign invited the Larouchies there to heckle Joe. As Joe only gets press when he is whining about the other guy...be it Gore supporting Dean...or Lamont telling the truth about Joe
10/24/06 @ 10:23
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
I don't know who won this time. Lamont did better than he did in any of the other debates.
Schlesinger did very well, as he did in the other debates. Alan is the one telling the truth, that's for sure. I'm a liberal, so I don't agree with many of his solutions, but I appreciate his directness, his honesty about the issues and exactly where he stands.
I do wonder how much of that honesty is him, and how much of it is just that he's so behind in the polls he can say what he wants. I have to wonder, had he not been ignored by his own party, if he would have said yes to gays serving openly in the military? Or been so critical of the Bush administration in general? Schlesinger was dishonest about one thing. In talking about what a strange race it is, he said he was ignored by the press. Sorry, Alan, but you know that you were in truth ignored by your own party. In my opinion, the GOP made a mistake. If they had put money and the GOP machine behind him, he would be getting the conservative voters, and between Lamont and Lieberman dividing the liberal and moderate votes, He could have won with a plurality rather than a majority of the vote. Think Bill Clinton, 1992, when independent Ross Perot took more votes away from those who would normally have voted for H.W. Bush.
But in the end, I think the GOP goofed. They thought no one could unseat Joe. But then Lamont won the primary, and it changed the whole dynamic. Suddenly, Lieberman wasn't an automatic shoe-in. They couldn't now support Schlesinger without looking like manipulative hypocrites, but Lieberman in their eyes is certainly the lesser of the two liberal evils. So everyone in the GOP party machine has openly "stayed out" of the race (just look at the non-answer about this race that Jodi Rell gave in the debate.) Meanwhile, Karl Rove and his ilk are behind the scenes running Joe's campaign.
Joe was a whiner, in general. But I'm not referring to the heckling situation. (I don't know if they were campaign operatives. One can certainly speculate, but it was dispicable, and kudos to Schlesinger for stepping up and shouting them down.) No, I'm just so sick of Lieberman making himself out to being victimized by Lamont when Lamont is using Joe's own record as proof. And yet again, I'm just left asking myself... who is Joe? I guess the answer to that is it depends on the audience. He IS a liberal. Make no mistake about that. He is one of the MOST LIBERAL Senators. He's not even close to middle in terms of ideology, and voting. So I scratch my head in wonder as to why more than 2/3 of Republican voters support Lieberman.
I will vote for Lamont. But I'm not going to cry a river if Lieberman wins either. But I am really ticked off at the precedent that Lieberman is setting. If he wins, he will not go back to Washington as an Independent. It's already been worked out with the Senate leadership that he will go back as the ranking Democrat that he is. Fine. I suppose in the end that would be just fine for us, though everyone should remember that whatever "goodies" Joe brings to Connecticut are just "pork" to the other 49 states. Pork barrel politics is a huge problem, and Joe is part of that problem. But what really irks me the most about it all is that, as a registered Democrat who voted for Lamont in the primary, I feel that if Joe goes back as a ranking Democrat, my vote in the primary will have been dismissed, discarded.
10/24/06 @ 10:28
Comment from: Yoda [Visitor]
Ned is financing his own campaign so as not to take special interest money and be beholden to them. Lobbyists are pouring money into Joe's campaign because they know they can (have) buy him.
Alan is funny.
10/24/06 @ 10:30
Comment from: Jan [Visitor]
"Joe meant he'd serve three terms as a Democrat and then try to serve three terms as an Independent." luvit!
10/24/06 @ 10:48
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
Thanks for the info on the hecklers! Yeah, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any acknowledgement from the Lieberman camp either.
Mark Davis, why is it that we do not hear about who the hecklers are from YOU? Why are YOU asking the candidates what is true in their ads? Why aren't YOU doing some fact checking??
The media has gotten in the habit of tossing gentle softballs at the politicians, instead of the hardball questions they used to. I'm tired of it! Why are the media in general not doing stories on the stories of what the candidates say and do? It's because of that vacuum of tough journalism that most voters get their information from the stupid ads.
Jill
10/24/06 @ 10:48
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
The fact that this blog has over 200 posts since last night means that outsiders are suddenly posting.
Did WTNH point out to Joes camp that they should log on from REPUBLICAN HEADQUATERS around the country????????
IF YOU ARE FROM OUT OF STATE OR US PLEASE STATE WHY YOU ARE HERE
10/24/06 @ 10:56
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
It just seems with JOE all support is from OUT OF STATE
10/24/06 @ 10:58
Comment from: John Casper [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 10:58
Comment from: Renette [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 11:00
Comment from: Rick [Visitor]
I am baffled at Ned Lamont's projected plan for health care. How can a first term senator bring anything to the table with the current anti-liberal sentiment running across America. Lamont does not have the political maturity it will take to make Connecticut a factor in Washington. This means jobs, jobs, jobs.
Weicker has propped Lamont up, do you realize what Weicker did when he was in government? Have you ever tried to deal with a Greenwich snob? Lamont has lost touch with the majority of projected voters per the latest polls.
It's time to put Ned to Bed, Lowell.
10/24/06 @ 11:05
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
we need to stick together and vote all incumbants OUT
don't vote for Lamont, but for the sake of the state and country don't vote for Lieberman either
pick another candidate
we have to start sending a message people that if you do not do anything FOR THE PEOPLE YOU ARE OUT
WE HAVE LOST THIS COUNTRY TO SCUMBAG LOBBYISTS AND BIG CORPORATIONS
NAME ONE THING THAT HAS BEEN GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY IN THE LAST 6 YEARS
AND YES LOBBYISTS ARE SCUM, THEY'D SELL YOUR MOTHER TO MAKE A BUCK
10/24/06 @ 11:07
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
That's right! I shouted so loud at the TV when he said that. I can't believe that I forgot to rant about that, too.
The thing is, it does matter. The very fact that most Americans, especially our leaders, don't know the difference matters. Most people think the terms Muslim and Arab are interchangable. Most people don't know that the majority of Muslims in the world are not Arab. Most people actually think that Muslims pray to a different god called "Allah", when in fact that "Allah" is just the Arabic word for God, and that their God is the same God of Abraham as that of Judaism and Christianity.
It's bad enough that most Americans don't know these things, but when our leaders show that kind of ignorance, it makes me cringe. We can't engage with the world, or be taken seriously on the world stage, if we don't understand.
Jill
10/24/06 @ 11:09
Comment from: Glenna MacDonald [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 11:15
You wrote: "Did WTNH point out to Joes camp that they should log on from REPUBLICAN HEADQUATERS around the country????????"
No. If you have actual proof and not anecdotal rumblings of such an effort happening please forward this to infomation to us. Same goes for Democrat headquarters, Green Party HQ, or any party.
To Kimberly and Jill from Fairfield; regarding who the heckler(s) is/are associated with,
Reported by the Hartford Courant:
http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-sendebate1024.artoct24,0,3229920.story?coll=hc-big-headlines-breaking
"The man appeared to be part of a group supporting perennial presidential candidate and conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche."
Reported by the Day of New London:
http://www.theday.com/re.aspx?re=9df1b5f0-4ea4-42fc-a689-0be6fb129de7
"The hecklers, a pair of men from the LaRouche Youth Movement, sang a harmonized ode targeting Vice President Dick Cheney, which, according to the group's Web site, is unofficially titled 'The Fat-Ass Nazi Song.'"
Reported by the New Haven Register:
http://www.nhregister.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=17367912&BRD=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=332704&rfi=6
"Observers said those who kept singing several times as Lieberman tried to speak were from the Lyndon LaRouche Party. LaRouche is a perennial presidential candidate."
10/24/06 @ 11:17
Comment from: Bethany P. [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 11:22
You wrote: "Did WTNH point out to Joes camp that they should log on from REPUBLICAN HEADQUATERS around the country????????"
No. If you have actual proof and not anecdotal rumblings of such an effort happening please forward this to infomation to us. Same goes for Democrat headquarters, Green Party HQ, or any party. If people work for a campaign they should be up front about it.
To Kimberly and Jill from Fairfield; regarding who the heckler(s) is/are associated with,
Reported by the Hartford Courant:
"The man appeared to be part of a group supporting perennial presidential candidate and conspiracy theorist Lyndon LaRouche."
Reported by the Day of New London:
"The hecklers, a pair of men from the LaRouche Youth Movement, sang a harmonized ode targeting Vice President Dick Cheney, which, according to the group's Web site, is unofficially titled 'The Fat-Ass Nazi Song.'"
Reported by the New Haven Register:
"Observers said those who kept singing several times as Lieberman tried to speak were from the Lyndon LaRouche Party. LaRouche is a perennial presidential candidate."
Reported by WTNH:
"The hecklers did not have an affiliation with any of the candidates in the debate."
10/24/06 @ 11:25
Comment from: MRL [Visitor]
I suppose that means its getting easier and easier to like Ned Lamont.
Lamont, pure and simple, respresents my views more fully -- Joe, less and less. And Mr. Lamont does it with a style and panache that Joe *used* to have but now lacks.
Go Ned!
10/24/06 @ 11:26
Comment from: JD Smith [Visitor]
The people were the losers in the debate. The questions were silly. The answers evasive.
The disgusting display put on by Mark Davis showed him to be Fox News material. I'm sure that LIEberman and Davis conspired to set up Lamont with preplanned theater.
10/24/06 @ 11:32
Comment from: Nick [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 11:34
Comment from: Steve [Visitor]
Joe calling Ned a "son of a bitch" at the end of the debate only demonstrated his close ties to the Rove/Cheney camp.
I hope the media calls out Joe for an apology. This is DISGRACEFUL for a Senator's behavior.
10/24/06 @ 11:34
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
"Joe calling Ned a "son of a bitch" at the end of the debate only demonstrated his close ties to the Rove/Cheney camp."
Really?? When? I missed that one. Anyone else hear it?
10/24/06 @ 11:43
Comment from: UTNYCC [Visitor]
Your think Ned represents what is wrong with politics? A citizen, backed by oher citizens, trying to be heard? I guess you prefer career-politicians who have made millions while working for us and whose only passionate supprt comes from his lobbyists (who are afraid of losing their whore).
10/24/06 @ 11:45
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
It will be interesting to see if WTNH will report on it at noon. I'll be watching.
Jill
10/24/06 @ 11:46
Folks... there were no winners... only losers... us... Joe Public... All three candidates are full of bull.
10/24/06 @ 12:05
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
Images are stronger than words. I agree with the criticism of Lamont that he didn't step up like Schlesinger to shut down the heckling. He should have. But on the other hand, why is WTNH not telling the full story about what Lamont's team actually did??
Liberal media, my behind...
10/24/06 @ 12:19
Comment from: Nick [Visitor]
Ned has never said what his plan is to fix what he thinks is broken. He parrots that the current administration is making "Bad Decisions" but never once says what he thinks are the right ones. He has NO solutions. We would be foolish to put him in Washington without a plan and no experience? We cannot afford to educate Ned at our expense. While Ned would be learning the ropes a senior senator from another state would be working on taking our defense jobs from us. Once lost those jobs would never return.
Although I see the anti Joe posts here all saying Ned has won I know that on NOV 7th it will be the good people from the State of Connecticut who remember what a great job Senator Lieberman has done for us in our state and the country and will VOTE JOE!!!!!
10/24/06 @ 12:39
Comment from: Joel [Visitor]
He will be sworn in in January
Rumsfeld will resign in January
Joe will become Secy of Defense
Jodi Rell will appoint a Repub to the senate to replace Joe.
10/24/06 @ 13:08
Comment from: Stu Shiffman [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 13:45
Comment from: Mandy [Visitor]
VOTE NED LAMONT!!!!!
10/24/06 @ 13:59
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 14:21
Comment from: Linda B. [Visitor]
Comment from: Joel [Visitor]
Joe will win re-election.
He will be sworn in in January
Rumsfeld will resign in January
Joe will become Secy of Defense
Jodi Rell will appoint a Repub to the senate to replace Joe.
10/24/06 @ 13:08
Lieberman's name was brought up in the past as a possible replacement for Rumsfeld. This would be a great coup for the Republicans if the change-over in the Senate was only 1 vote.
Never forget the brilliant strategic minds behind Bush. (and this is not a compliment)
10/24/06 @ 14:24
Comment from: Donna [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 14:47
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10/24/06 @ 14:58
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10/24/06 @ 15:01
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10/24/06 @ 15:03
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
I was just curious if maybe at the debate "someone" mentioned this blog to the camps and that was the sudden reason for so many posts, because, let's face it, there are not usually so many, so fast, and other hot topics have been discussed here
sure made me wonder, if I seemed out of line my apologies
Got to say I sure hope people vote for anyone but an incumbant, no one has done anything about
ENERGY COSTS
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS
INSURANCE COMPANIES
CORRUPTION
PROPERTY TAXES
PROTECTING SOCIAL SECURITY
OR FINDING OUT WHO {PLURAL} IS RESPONSIBLE FOR LEAVING THE HUNT FOR BIN LADEN AND INVADING UNDER FALSE INTEL, FABRICATED INTEL, THAT HAS COST US TIME MONEY, TROOPS LIVES AND HAS GIVEN BIN LADEN TIME TO REGROUP AND PLAN
10/24/06 @ 15:32
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
I believe invading Afghanistan was right
too bad we didn't finish the job
now we {tax payers} have a mess in Iraq to clean up
I want the Bush, Cheney, Rice, and Rumsfeld fortunes used to pay us back and make restitution
for 2 reasons
1 they're guilty of leading this country into a false war
2 it will keep other scumbags from doing it again
it is time for elected officials to be responsible for their actions
10/24/06 @ 15:37
Comment from: New London Chick [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 15:47
Comment from: Greg M [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 15:54
Perhaps because this debate was carried by C-Span there were more people watching from outside Connecticut. Your guess is as good as mine on this one.
To all who made reference to the alleged 'SOB' comment;
First, let me say that we do NOT have tape of the debate without the closing music. I listened to the end at least a dozen times and my ears didn't hear any such comment. The only word I thought I heard was 'leadership,' and that could easily be wrong.
I also talked with our director Michael on the scene, and he doesn't remember hearing any such comment. He recalls everyone being civil to each other after the broadcast.
10/24/06 @ 16:10
Comment from: Maureen [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 16:30
Comment from: Johnny [Visitor]
>Joe will win re-election.
>He will be sworn in in January
>Rumsfeld will resign in January
>Joe will become Secy of Defense
>Jodi Rell will appoint a Repub to >the senate to replace Joe.
And it will be Nancy Johnson because she'll need a job...
10/24/06 @ 17:03
Comment from: New London Chick [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 17:13
Comment from: Johnny [Visitor]
>No matter what happens - I will
>not be a back stabber
This entire country was stabbed in the back by Bush and Cheney. And Joe was there to help them pull out the knife.
10/24/06 @ 17:26
Comment from: New London Chick [Visitor]
Johnny - I can see you right now turning on the gas chambers to all the helpless Jews in the gas chambers. You make me sick. :
>GW doesn't have thes war in OUR country
>We aren't playing games.
>My daughter's friend is in the front lines and she holds my hand like she would her MOM's because she is a Navy Chief in the Mid'East fighting for YOUR life right now. You make me sick too. STILL STICKING WITH JOE IN NL. CT
Liberals still stink.
Still STICKIN' WITH JOE IN NL,
Always and forever
ps: It's not about the war - it's about what's right. JOE is the right choice for now - I want a REALIST - not a dreamer in office.
10/24/06 @ 17:52
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
I don't care who you support, but do you really think Joe is not a liberal? He is very liberal. Almost as much as Dodd and Kennedy.
You're not the only one fooled by Joe's supposed moderate to conservative ideology. After all, 2/3 of Connecticut Republicans support Joe. Now I know that Northeast Republicans aren't ultra conservative such as in the South, but I don't believe they consider themselves liberal. Joe's got everyone snowed.
Anyway, though I support Lamont, I won't be too upset if Lieberman wins, because he is liberal and that's where I stand. I won't be happy about it, but it could be a lot worse from my liberal point of view.
Jill
10/24/06 @ 18:04
Comment from: New London Chick [Visitor]
>GW doesn't have this war in OUR county.
>Also - my daugther's friend's MOM is in the the Mid East right now fighting for our and Iraq's future peace. In fact, when she (mom) gets home, Dad gets to go for a year. By the way - I don't hear them complaining. They are the true heroes of our country. Ever hear of the "Oath of Service"? Still Stickin' with JOE. Oh yeah - and liberals still SUCK.
10/24/06 @ 18:09
Comment from: Rich Rosenfield [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 18:14
Comment from: New London Chick [Visitor]
Well - you may think Joe is a liberal, but at least he is a moderate liberal. The fools that were outside of the Garde last nite were just out of sight - if I am wrong - they are the liberals. I truly feel that JOE is trying his hardest to help us all and I would truly be very worried (as I would have been if Kerry had won) if JOE doesn't come through. Being directly across from the subase, I don't want an anti-military man in office, nor do I want a pro-military man either. I want Joe Lieberman - a guy that knows both sides of the coin to be in there with experience and clout to keep up safe. Not a pretty boy with some fancy words and a lot of money. I'm not saying Lamont is a bad guy - just not the right guy right now. For real - if it was a 2 man deal - I'd go with Alan not Ned. At least he's not living in a dream world he created - Ned reminds me of the guy from Charlie and Chocolate Factory. Regards from NL.
10/24/06 @ 18:21
Comment from: Jean [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 18:21
Comment from: alice [Visitor]
Joe's loyalties are to Joe. He is not for the democratic party. He pouted and left the democratic party fast enough when he lost the primary back in August. He could not accept the fact that he lost. Do you really think that Joe is a loyal democrat looking out for YOUR interests??
10/24/06 @ 18:27
Comment from: Sandra Jeffers [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 18:28
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10/24/06 @ 18:28
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
Well, I wasn't there, so I don't know who you are talking about exactly. If you are talking about the LaRouche group, the hecklers, I don't know how I would label them politically. Fringe, maybe, but not liberal. Some of his ideas are extreme left, and some seem extreme right.
And I stand by what I said the first time, and so conclude that if you truly believe that "liberals suck", then you contradict yourself by supporting Lieberman.
I'm just truly fascinated by how many people think Joe is not liberal, and even rather conservative. I guess they are judging that on the Iraq War? But then that would make Schlesinger liberal, since he's very critical of it. But we know that he is in fact conservative.
The Iraq War alone does inform as to a candidate's political ideology. It might help, but it's just one issue. (HUGE issue, but yet just one.)
Jill
10/24/06 @ 18:34
Comment from: Jean [Visitor]
Lamont is far from an idiot he has compassion and cares about the people of CT.
I would much rather have a Senator that speaks for the people of CT, than one who whines for himself like Joe does.
REPUBLICANS FOR CHANGE!
10/24/06 @ 18:34
Comment from: Jean D [Visitor]
Please do not confuse me with the Jean who bashed Ned Lamont.
I am the Lamont supporter, it's pretty sad when when others can use the very same names and not make it clear who they are.
I wonder how WTNH would like us taking their names and posting.
REPUBLICANS FOR CHANGE
10/24/06 @ 18:40
Comment from: LAIDOFF [Visitor]
As to last nights interruptions by hecklers; Joe was like a deer in the headlights. He just froze, and looked like he was going to cry. A senate leader who does not even try to diffuse the situation? He was ineffective and needed both opponents to rescue him.
He also never answered the question regarding honest ads.
Alan has really come to the fore. He won't win but is such a breath of fresh air offering wit along with some good suggestions. I really do not support his conservative thinking, but he got the hecklers to quiet down, he offered an alternative to the constant negative bashing of both other opponents...He gets my win in the debate butNed will get my vote.
10/24/06 @ 18:54
Comment from: Pat [Visitor]
You did this. I did not. Yes you did. Did not. Did too. Did not. Did too. I'M TELLING!!!!! What a couple of babies. I wouldn't vote for either of them.
As far as I'm concerned, Schlessinger is the winner. He cuts through all the crap and doesn't spend all his time and energy bad-mouthing his opponents.
And if Lieberman had not chosen to run on his own, Lamont would not even have had a campaign because all he has done is criticise Lieberman
10/24/06 @ 18:59
Help save our country: vote for Ned Lamont. He might be new, but he has integrity. (I'm related to one of his employees.)
10/24/06 @ 19:03
Comment from: New London Chick [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 19:26
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
I hope we're not "Stuck with Joe".
I know we're not supposed to ask the question that is nowhere in the news about Joe's wife's "employment" at Hill & Knowlton, a "PR firm" that works with many big pharmaceutical companies. Everyone who really is unbiased and wants some genuine reporting should watch Bill Moyers' "Capitol Crimes: Abramoff Inc."
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/moyersonamerica/capitol/abramoff.html
This show will make you sick to see the rampant "lobbying" (aka bribery) going on in Washington these days. Joe says he's the only one with experience "who knows how things work in Washington". There was a complicated scheme whereby Tom DeLay's wife was "hired" by a firm which was a client of Abramoff's. This provided another conduit for the dirty money to be laundered. How does this differ from the Lieberman's windfall?
Don't fret about it. Just write me off as a liberal because I know where PBS is on the TV. Get your "news" from Fox & Rush - don't concern yourself with facts.
I do agree that the campaigns are all in the gutter. The love of money is the root of all evil. The only way to clean things up is to vote all the incumbents out. Let's start with Joe.
10/24/06 @ 19:59
Comment from: mike [Visitor]
10/24/06 @ 20:13
Comment from: Johnny [Visitor]
Do you honestly believe that it was the correct thing to do to all but abandon the war in Afghanistan, where we know Osama bin Laden is hiding (remember bin Laden? the guy who was REALLY responsible for 9/11?). Remember the original war in Afghanistan where we had a REAL coalition of over 100 countries helping us to find the people that were actually responsible for attacking our friends and relatives in New York City??
We left that war to start a war in Iraq against a person who was absolutely no threat to us (as would have been proven if we didn't have a president who is an obsessive compulsive) and had NOTHING to do with 9/11 (which we were flat out LIED TO about). And this war has cost us over 2800 brave men and women. It has cost us our respect in the eyes of the rest of the world. Its cost us almost half a trillion dollars and climbing. And your good old buddy, Joe, was and still is a major supporter of this war that is tearing this country apart and getting worse every day.
Lets get real here.... You go, girl... You go work for Joe...
10/24/06 @ 20:22
Comment from: alice [Visitor]
I think joe is now merely the best "thorn" the republicans can find.
10/24/06 @ 20:49
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
Don't know where you got the idea I was for the war. I've been absolutely against it since it was first being discussed in early 2002. I've never wavered that it was the wrong move. We should have never taken our attention away from Afghanistan.
I was simply making a point that a candidate's stance on the Iraq War alone is not enough to determine how liberal or conservative they are. Nothing more.
10/24/06 @ 22:52
Comment from: Johnny [Visitor]
I think a lot of us are acting in anger and frustration. I won't state my age, but I've been around for a long time. I've NEVER seen such incompetence in government in my life. To me, its just inexcusable that so many incumbents stood by and let this all happen, and in many cases applauded and joined in with the incompetance. And I'm sure they are genuinely nice and well intentioned people. But we just need better than that now. This government needs ACCOUNTABILITY. And it needs it NOW.
10/25/06 @ 10:16
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
you have your facts mixed up
it's ok, the bush regime has been mixing it up to confuse you
allow me to help you
2000 Bush put in office by the Supreme Court
wants a reason to invade Iraq since day 1
he is told to watch and get bin laden--he ignores
intel sends him a daily briefing "bin laden determined to attack within US borders"--he ignores
9/11 his approval rating goes from from 30 to 90 while he is drooling an a school in Florida
he wats to attack Iraq for 9/11
Powell insists that we invade Afghanistan because that is where they are, not Iraq, so we invade
soon after he leaves, job incomplete to invade Iraq under false pretences, a lie
Katrina hits, FEMA director Browns only experience as a horse judge and Bush campaign worker shows
Bush says stay the course in Iraq, all is well
I raq is fratured into different tribes and Al Qaeda is now in Iraq because we did not guard the borders after invading
no WMDs are found, it is proven that they relied on the story of 1 man that the CIA felt was a joke
Bush appoints his own guy to run the CIA
2006
we are still Iraq, Bin Laden has had time to regroup and plan another attack
Bush's 1 hope is to stay in Iraq till end of term and hand it over to someone else so he can say " everything was fine and on target when we had it"
does that clarify a few things for ya?????
10/25/06 @ 11:12
Comment from: Jill from Fairfield [Visitor]
No problem. I share the anger, the outrage. I can see why you might have jumped to a conclusion.
Anyway, I'm 41, I've been paying attention since Reagan was president, and looking back at the past 50 years of politics in general. And I'm with you 100% about the incompetence.
I hope that the issues we face will wake us up and make us demand more of our government. Because we really do get the government we deserve. Half of all people who could vote do not. We do not require more of our supposedly independent media. The mainstream media was already getting lazy, and then after 9/11, they became cowardly, unwilling to stand up and ask the hard questions. But it's not the media's fault totally, because there were signs that the administration was not being honest, and we did not require the media to dig deeper.
It's our bad.
What really baffles me is that I can't figure out what this Congress and especially this President stand for. I'm a liberal, but not so pig-headed as to not recognize that Reagan, for example, stood for something. I disagreed with the vast majority of it, but it was a set of principles I could understand and respect, if not embrace.
But what do these buffoons stand for? They claim to be the champions of moral values. Well, I don't know how moral it is to invade a country "preemptively". I don't know how moral it is to not raise the minimum wage in 10 years. I don't know how moral it is to change the very rules that define "forests" (yes, really!), consumer price increases, and even science. (_The Republican War on Science_) A must read! Written by a Republican with much Republican input!
But even just looking at the so called conservative "family values", they were happy to take the conservative Christian vote, but they privately mocked, in the actual White House, those very same people. And they never gave even more than lip service to that agenda when in truth they had an opportunity to push it through, like they never had before. Conservatives control all three branches of government. The President wouldn't have vetoed, and presumably the Supreme Court would have been unlikely to throw out carefully constructed laws to forward the conservative "moral value" issues.
As a liberal, I'm doing a happy dance that they didn't! Don't get me wrong. But in a way, I could respect them more if they did, or at least tried. I respect true conservativism, but these jokers are not real conservatives. They're selfish neocons who are only for their own business interests and global, unilateral military domination.
We need to get rid of them all!
10/25/06 @ 11:39
Comment from: JG [Visitor]
10/25/06 @ 12:52
Comment from: John [Visitor]
10/25/06 @ 12:59
Comment from: mick [Visitor]
I agree with Jill. As bad as they were, some previous presidents at least stood for something or made an attempt to improve our country and our world. This is without question the worst administration we have ever had to endure.
In my lifetime there were 3 elections in which I couldn't believe the people of this state or this nation would be dumb enough to make the selection that we were told that they did. Well 7 elections, 3 despicable candidates - Nixon, Rowland & W. We all know now how corrupt the first 2 were and what end they came to. I'm praying for a hat-trick.
If you can't take the time to view or read the Moyers' piece from my previous post above, then read this one:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15392701/
The Moyers' program documents many of the FACTS on the Abramoff scandal. Did you know that one of Abramoff's associates was operating inside the White House? FACT - watch it before you deny it. I owe no allegiance to any candidate or party. If ANYONE is proven to be corrupt, they should be out. Before you prop up W or Joe, can you say the same?
The article above has a very good definition of terror - to cause fear. Precisely what W, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Joe, Nancy, Chris Shays & Rob have been doing to our nation and our state to scare people into the voting booth.
Support our troops but don't adequately fund them, don't provide the generals with the troops they need to get the job done and make them pay their own medical bills or bill them for services when they come back home maimed for life. "No child left behind" but don't provide funding, in fact, take away funding so the state is left with your ridiculous mandates and no money or resources with which to work. And stretch our resources so thin with your unjust and unwarranted "war of choice" in Iraq that you need to pull our National Guard away from our shores so your bottom line will look better. Fudge the books just like you did when you ran a company (into the ground).
Joe, Nancy, Chris Shays & Rob Simmons have all been ardent supporters of the Iraq debacle. Up until recently they were still saying things are great and "stay the course" but now their handlers are getting the word that they should use terms like "flexible" and "adjust", at least until after the election. Say anything, just get re-elected.
A vote for any of these incumbents is a vote to continue the failed policies that have gotten us into this mess. Yes, Joe is responsible. I tried to voice my opposition and incredulity when W turned his sights to Iraq in the middle of the campaign to get bin Laden. Joe was already cheering the decision. If it's great for the economy and our defense contractors, then state that as your reason. Pretty sick but if that's why you think it was the right thing to do, say so.
President Eisenhower (now I'm dating myself) warned about the growing "military industrial complex" and that the US needed to diversify its industries or we'd be going to war to keep our economy afloat. President Bush (the 1st) explained why he didn't go into Baghdad and, in so doing, accurately described the morass we find ourselves tangled in today.
Please read, dig for the truth, and vote the incumbents out, at least those who have supported the poorly researched and badly executed war and those who have turned a blind eye to the rampant corruption all around them (maybe even taken part?).
Vote for the Democrats to represent us, as endorsed by the Hartford Courant, and remember, Joe isn't one.
10/25/06 @ 15:48
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
these are the reasons why no incumbant must be re-elected.
Jill, I can tell you that this admin--err regime stands for Halliburton and making more money for her and her friends
that's it
Mick, Eisenhower was right and we didn't listen
personally I want them Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, Cheney ARRESTED, THEIR ASSETS SEIZED
I also want everyone that is in office that went along with these scumbags out
America has become a feeding ground for big corporations and those in power
the average CEO in America makes 300% more that their foreign counterparts and it is not because they are so much better at what they do
it is because they have paid off our politicians WHO WORK FOR US
OR ARE SUPPOSED TO
Most of them, when asked about doing what the people want will say "WE DO NOT DO WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT, WE MAKE THE RIGHT DECISIONS FOR THEM"
I saw an older couple yesterday driving in their Mercedes, on top was a huge homemade sign that read:
GW BUSH AND JOE LIEBERMAN DESERVE EACHOTHER....
WE DESERVE BETTER
10/26/06 @ 09:23
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
A few of the headlines from today that are more proof positive to vote all incumbants out { I really don;t care who you vote for, as long as it is not an incumbant}
From AP
Home Prices Plunge by Most in 35 Years
U.S. Death Toll in Iraq Worst in a Year
Exxon Posts $10.49B Profit; Shares Up
Stocks Fall After Home Sales Report
yep, those currently in office are doing a heck of a job, a heck of a job
10/26/06 @ 15:20
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
hmmm
does that mean that we, here in CT, get to have our homes revaluated now that the value dropped????????
OUR FRIGGIN TOWNS AND CITIES WERE PRETTY QUICK ON REVALUATION WHEN THE VALUE WENT UP, WEREN'T THEY????
I say people, rise up.
10/26/06 @ 15:23
Comment from: Craig [Visitor]
10/26/06 @ 19:11
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
Gates and his wife spend their time finding causes and needs to give their money to.
People like the Bushs and Cheneys look for ways to rip us off and spend our money.
Your logic to back is faulty but it is yours and you have the right to do so.
Lieberman has been a secret weapon of the Bush Regime for quite some time, I even wonder now about when he was running with Gore, what was he really up to??
I don't recall any repubs or even Rice getting a french kiss from GW.
The other thing that bothers me about Joe is these flyers from THE FIRE FIGHTERS OF AMERICA
who are they??, they are not from CT and it is the same ad over and over
He sat there in DC and watched as GW and Rummy were going to take revenge on this area for not backing them in 2000 and 2004 by closing the subbase and our fighter squad at Bradley.
It was only after Rell complaigned that he snubbed around and now takes credit for saving the subbase.
He is a piece of work.
I have worked at the Subbase, I know first hand that it is vital, and given the amount of training equipment they have { they train sub crews, huge simulators and stuff } it is only a complete moron that would close or move it.
Term limits, someone is about to get one, he is not alone.
Independant polls this a.m. show people across the country are sick of incumbants and the lies to get us to invade Iraq have people very irate.
One woman in Missouri said GW can send his kids to Iraq and see how it feels to lose them.
10/27/06 @ 11:00
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
Bush & co lied about why we had to invade.
Now we have a huge problem.
No one accepts responsibility for our being there.
They just say that "now, we have to stay until the job is finished"
Where is Wilford Brimley when we need him?? I'd like to see him walk into to the Oval Office with GW, Cheney, Rumdum and Rice present, sit down, open his briefcase and say.................
"2 things are going to be true at the end of the day that aren't true now. One is that the U.S. Govt is going to know what the Good Christ is going on here,.... the other is I'm going to have somebodys ass in my briefcase".
yes, a scene from "Absence of Malice"
works for me
10/27/06 @ 15:21
Comment from: mike [Visitor]
10/27/06 @ 22:50
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
it is not you repubs vs us dems, besides I'm Independant.
Can you egt in to thwe repub country club Mike?? Can you hob nob with Johnson, Cheney, Rice, Rummy, Delay??
Do you really think they care about you??
Have you been suckered into thinking they are on your side becasue they claim to be "conservative" or "Religious"
IT IS WE THE PEOPLE VS. ALL OF THEM, ALL POLITICIANS
THERE IS NO REPUB OR DEM
THERE IS POLITICIANS PAID OFF BY LOBBYISTS TO DO THINGS FOR BIG CORPORATIONS
THAT IS ALL THERE IS
It doesn't matter who ya vote for, big business owns 'em both
That is why they fight a 3rd party, then they'd have to pay 3.
our only recourse is to vote out incumbants each time, replacing them with new people
if that doesn't work dear people it is then time for another REVOLUTION
unless of course you are nothing but obedient sheep, baaaaa baaaaaa
We have the right under our Constitution to take it back, our Forefathers knew this would eventually happen again, this time it is not Kings and Queens taking everything, it is CEO's who think they are gods gift to the world and so above all of us.
the following is from our Declaration of Independance:
That whenever any form of govt becomes destructive of these ends, IT IS THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR TO ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVT. LAYING IT'S FOUNDATION ON SUCH PRINCIPALS AND ORGANIZING IT'S POWERS IN SUCH FORM, AS TO THEM SHALL SEEM MOST LIKELY TO EFFECT THEIR SAFETY AND HAPPINESS.
I say that time is near
10/28/06 @ 09:10
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
There are no parties, all politicians will stand on their own merit.
Lobbying is hereby illegal. Elected officials are to be concerned with caring for the people, not corporations, they can take care of themselves.
Any company that wishes to sell a product in the U.S.A. will have at least 40% of the manufacture and/or assembly within the boudaries of the United States. This will ensure that jobs do not leave the country and put all on equal ground in regards to competitive pricing.
Anyone from the former President GW Bush on down will have all of their assets seized. Their trial will begin within 30 days concerning the illegal war in Iraq, pilfering the taxpayers money and fabricating evidence. Aforementioned assests will be sold at auction to repay the people of the United States.
Iraq has 120 days to take over security in it's country. The United Nations will be asked to assist in the transition.
National Guardsmen and Coast Guard
personnel will return from Iraq and begin guarding the U.S. and her ports.
Regular Military personnel will return to the hunt for Bin Laden.
10/29/06 @ 08:24
Comment from: Kim [Visitor]
I honestly can not say what Lamont stood for, except for bashing Joe and using the money from the war for a bunch of programs... We all want to leave Iraq, but I think we need to do it correctly..
I wish the candidates had to answer 20 yes and no questions such as...
Are you in favor of or against abortion?
Are you in favor or against Affirmative action?
Water boarding?
Flat Tax?
ect....
10/29/06 @ 21:13
Comment from: Robin Hood [Visitor]
how'bout
How much money have you taken from big oil?
Rx co's?
Insurance co's?
Defense Co's?
why did you vote to invade Iraq?
why didn't you speak out against Bush giving Hallburton so many NO BID CONTRACTS??
why didn't you want to know how many people in the Bush regime have fake resumes like Michael Brown, former head of FEMA, who was a horse judge??
WHY HAVEN'T YOU STOPPED THE SUBSIDIES TO BIG OIL WHILE THEY ARE RAKING IN HUGE PROFITS????????
notice I did not mention anythig you did, because those are not important to me, those are to you
I would like to see people drop the abortion question, it's a no win
what happens is the politician will tell you whatever you want to hear and you will vote for them
they will then do nothing
if people spent as much time bitching about the things I listed above as they do about abortion we might have a better country
the thing with abortion to me is that is a very personal thing, whether you are for or against and very very emotional, not political.
if it were outlawed we'd be back to the unlicensed doctors and no good would come
the thing I think we need to do is adress why are there unwanted pregnancies, for if there were none, no abortions would happen
starting with young women and branching out from there the message must be clear to get your life in order,education, a job, a home, and then plan your pregnancy
it seems many young women, under 18, think that their life is going to change by getting pregnant, that is a falicy, it just makes it more complicated.
It starts I guess with the R word no one in America wants to hear
RESPONSIBILITY
If you get pregnant you are responsible, you & your partner
young men seem to be the worst, no responsiblity at all, they run from it
you see you can outlaw things, but you cannot stop them
but if we start teaching Responsibility for your actions and Respect for others, instead of "it ain't your fault", maybe things like abortion will stop because no one will want them, because they have become mature responsible adults.
You can't legislate that.
10/30/06 @ 14:24
Comment from: David [Visitor]
11/02/06 @ 17:57
Comment from: Humanitarian [Visitor]
But since I can't, I'm going to vote for best choice available, and that's Ned Lamont, because he's the only one of the three who is not an incumbent, and is not a career politician.
I happen to know Mr. Lamont and his family, and although I must agree that he was not able express his ideas very thoroughly during the debates, I know what his ideas are and what kind of person he is, and I KNOW he will make a very good senator; and he will definitely make a much better senator that any of the other candidates we have to choose from.
Let's give Ned the chance he deserves this Tuesday!
11/03/06 @ 22:03
Comment from: jaspreet kaur [Visitor]
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